How we going to stop this crap?

[buffermop]

Any ideas how to stop this senseless shootings by our children in our public schools? Where the hell is all the morals gone to?

[SHOOTALL]

Any ideas how to stop this senseless shootings by our children in our public schools? Where the hell is all the morals gone to?

well when the games they play , the commic books they read , the shows they watch and all the drug dealers and rapp songs glorify killing , hating authority and the removal of God and the Bible from all aspects of childrens lives . What do people expect the live what they learn. SEX < DRUGS AND KILLING !
 Kids don't even get to have a childhood anymore in alot of places.

[Bob Riebe]

Start loudly criticizing the press for making the shooter more of a victim than the dead, if the shooter lives, for not calling the shooters the human debris they are, psycho babble doctors for making excuses, blaming others for what they do, etc.

[SHOOTALL]

Start loudly criticizing the press for making the shooter more of a victim than the dead, if the shooter lives, for not calling the shooters the human debris they are, psycho babble doctors for making excuses, blaming others for what they do, etc.

good post

[Swampman]

Lock people up instead of putting them on medication and turning them loose.

[SHOOTALL]

Lock people up instead of putting them on medication and turning them loose.

well we still agree on the important things

[briarpatch]

Everyone can load all their guns up and take them to a big pile, allow the police to kick every door down and look/take all guns they find. Hire every old, fat, used up cop to watch the schools and It want stop this that I have no words for.
The admin will do something but it will be useless and wrong. The best way to stop this () is arm every adult in America and hope they are vigiliant.

[jhm]

     Continue giving them Medication, BUT start making it a large overdose!!!!   Jim

[Empty Quiver]

Simply stated it can not be stopped.
 
 As long as humans are allowed to interact with other humans this cannot be stopped.
 
Kids need to learn to deal with rejection, loneliness, self worth issues. In the end, society, in our quest to protect kids from failure have forgotten to teach them to deal with it. Those coping skills can help. Not every instance can be foreseen though, and this will continue until man leaves this planet.
 
 

[bilmac]

My son teaches and would have a gun somewhere in his room if it was condoned. As it is we are too sissy to consider this option.

[FourBee]

This insanity could be stopped, but won't be, because the world refuses to believe in their only hope.
   In the world news today, a man entered a school in China with a knife stabbing 42 children, of which 20 died.  This proves a gun isn't the problem, nor is a knife, axe, club, or rock.  It's man's rebellion against God.

[twoshooter]

Empty Quiver pretty much had it right. This has nothing to do with morals , upbringing, or video games. Jesus is not going to stop it either. Cain killed Able-  ad nauseum. This was a malfunctioning biological unit, made possible by a genetic defect, and triggered by an unknown biological or chemical environmental agent. I have worked in the mental health field  for over 20 years, a very high percentage of the people I see have such disorders. This is just like an electrical device, it works every day...... until it does not. When it malfunctions, it may or may not be able to be compensated for, corrected, or shut down. Most are low functioning anyway, but some are at the high end of the spectrum.
     We have three options that I see. None are perfect, nor pleasant.

#1   We can eliminate all weapons that enable one person to kill main or injure multiple others, to the point of stone age man. It will not prevent all killings, just lower the body count.

#2 We can permanently incarcerate all persons that have been diagnosed with any mental condition that has a remote correlation to violent acts, place them in physical and /or chemical restraints, and prevent their reproduction if the disorder has any genetically transmittable component, including monitoring for and aborting any fetus's that show genetic markers for the disorders in question.
We do this immediately upon DIAGNOSIS, not waiting for any overt acts.


# 3 We feel extremely sad, sick to our stomachs, nauseous, and either wonder if there is a God-where was he- or wish we believed there might be and he had intervened. We call and check on our kids. If we have friends or loved ones with problems, we do our best to see that they get treatment and take their meds. We pony up extra funds for mental health programs- and then demand that they be spent where they need to be - not on office furniture and executive salaries. We pray, if we believe----and even if we don't--just in case. We jack up school security. We do the best we can. Until it happens again. AND IT WILL.
   Then we go through it all again. Because the other options are in the end- much worse.

[alsatian]

Two separate thoughts or recommendations.
 
(1)  Many mass shootings are perpetrated by "crazy" people.  By this I mean people that had been identified as having psychological problems.  The Aurora, Colorado shooter; the NIU shooter; the Virginia Tech shooter are examples.  I don't know about the shooter in this incident, but perhaps this is the case here as well.  So, one suggestion is to identify imbalanced people and prevent those imbalanced people from owning and operating firearms, or maybe restricting their ownership of firearms in some way.  Rather than banning private ownership of firearms for all, restrict them for crazies.  I grant there are troublesome issues involved in this, but it seems less obnoxious to the civil liberties of all of us than the approach of barring all of us from private ownership of firearms.
 
(2)  Address the issues that leads someone to perpetrate this kind of shooting.  Someone has already mentioned violent video games.  Would banning violent video games have an impact?  I don't know.  But lack of concrete, certain cause and effect knowledge hasn't prevented people trying gun control laws, why not wing it and give banning violent video games a try?  While we are at it, how about banning violence from movies.  This can be done intelligently, with more finesse than I am articulating here in my hurry.  Maybe violence can be suggested rather than shown?  It happens that the brain is most readily neuro-programmed in a context of intense stress.  I can imagine a video game provides some of this element of intense stress.  It seems entirely plausible that such games can reprogram people's brains so they do not feel the intense immorality of shooting and killing total strangers.  What the heck . . . it is worth a try.  After all, how much are we really giving up by stopping violent video games and stopping violent movies?  Can't we find some other entertainment?  Can't we have movies that focus on other subjects?

[thumper113]

A Columbine father had the right idea.

A friend posted this on Facebook....

Billie Chisholm Savoie





Well worth the read - COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER !! Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.

 

They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness.. The following is a portion of the transcript:

 

Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.

The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.

In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent

I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
 Your words are empty air.
 You've stripped away our heritage,
 You've outlawed simple prayer.
 Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
 And precious children die.
 You seek for answers everywhere,
 And ask the question, Why?

 You regulate restrictive laws,
 Through legislative creed.
 And yet you fail to understand,
 That God is what we need!

 

Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.

What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.

Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!

My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!

 - Darrell Scott

Do what the media did not - - let the nation hear this man's speech. Please send this oout to everyone you can!

[Cuts Crooked]

Donno, but when I was in school I was on the school shooting team and we kept our guns in our lockers, along with a box of ammo. And prayer was still allowed in school in those days. We didn't have school shootings back then.

[cwlongshot]

Donno, but when I was in school I was on the school shooting team and we kept our guns in our lockers, along with a box of ammo. And prayer was still allowed in school in those days. We didn't have school shootings back then.

AMEN BROTHER!!

CW

[thumper113]

More gun control laws are NOT the answer!

Just look at this shooting.

1). The firearms weren't his.  He took them from his mother.
2). He wasn't old enough to buy a pistol.
3). He carried them in to a school zone where they are illegal anyway.

So how did laws stop him?  And how would your new laws help?

And how would it have stopped the attacks in China with the knife or the attack with the crossbow?

Four times the murders were committed with blunt objects than with assault weapons.

All you would do is have more laws they broke.

CRIMINALS DON'T CARE HOW MANY LAWS THEY BREAK!

[flintlock]

Arm the teachers and principles so they can take them out before they get started.....Then they would think twice before going into a school and start shooting...
 
If the pilots in the planes had of had .45s on them do you think those planes would have been hijacked?

[SHOOTALL]

we need to control the mental ill .

[guzzijohn]

Quote rom SHOOTALL:
"we need to control the mental ill ."


This is probably the toughest one because what is considered mentally ill shifts with the wind and the politics. I am sure it would not be too difficult to find some liberal psychs that would diagnose not just a few on this board as paranoid schizophrenics. Many,many of our returning vets could be considered mentally ill. You lost a spouse and child in an auto accident and you go into a temporary but deep enough depression to require medical help, you are now mentally ill. This can be a very dangerous slippery slope.
GuzziJohn

[SHOOTALL]

You are 100% correct guzzijohn and I agree about the slope . But if it could be worked out and test given not just opinion then it would be a better place to start than more useless gun control. Will it stop 100% of the shooting ? no !

[mcwoodduck]

Any ideas how to stop this senseless shootings by our children in our public schools? Where the hell is all the morals gone to?

You have it right.  The Moral Decay of our nation is a goal of the left.  This is the by product.
The left needs to have a decay of our morals, They can not get people to do what they want if we were a moral people.
When the Liberal ladies in the North East started planned parent hood to slow and stop the blacks they saw as animals and could not help them selves or control themselves, needed to be taken care of and shown that they can eliminate their problems. 
They need you to be amoral so you can see that their property is not theirs and that you should be entitled to the fruits of their labor and able to steal from them. 
They need you to be amoral so you will not say anything if you see something strange or odd or a person in distress as you will not get involved and the people that prey on the weak will continue to do so and hte mentally ill will not get help.
We need ot be Amoral so that you are not responsible for your actions.  Years ago the Church, your community, your family helped you if you strayed fro mthe acceptable path.  But htye required you to do something about your actions, with the social workers you are able to continue your destructive path and not have to make a change, the governemnt will provide by stealing from others.   
An Amoral community is needed so you do not ask why we have more and more problems and a bigger and bigger government that is supose to help but only produces more and more problems.
If we were a moral people we can see the left for the frauds they are.  We can respect their opinions with out agreeing with them.  The tollerant left is very intollerant if you do not agree with them and they will brow beat you, bully you, or attack you untill you agree with them.
The left in order to embarras Ronald Regan and knowing that the mentally ill would be on the streets and swell the homeless ranks they sued for the release of thousands of mentally ill that changed the rules that normally picked up the mentally ill and got them some treatment.
The Media will show over and over again and again the horrible things and make the loosers famous for doing horrible acts encouraging the mentally

[guzzijohn]

Quote from mcwoodduck:
"The left in order to embarras Ronald Regan and knowing that the mentally ill would be on the streets and swell the homeless ranks they sued for the release of thousands of mentally ill that changed the rules that normally picked up the mentally ill and got them some treatment."


It was not to embarrass Reagan it was a combination of misguided human rights movements and massive funding cuts for mental health treatment which we are paying greatly for now. I worked in the mental health field during the 80s. State hospitals were being closed with the promise that the saved funds would be given to local communities to be able to treat those folk in their home communities instead. The problem was that the vast majority of the funding was never handed down to the local communities. This also is another reason for jail overcrowding. The jails have become the "treatment Centers" for the mentally ill. Currently 56% of prisoners are considered mentally ill.
GuzziJohn

[jdp29]

You are 100% correct guzzijohn and I agree about the slope . But if it could be worked out and test given not just opinion then it would be a better place to start than more useless gun control. Will it stop 100% of the shooting ? no !

Impossible to test accurately and have you any idea on the costs? Antidepressants are the most widely prescribed medication in existance.  Someone with general anxiety is crazy??  I don't think so as I was on them when I was going thru chemo.  They did wonders for me.  I guarantee 10% of the posters on this board are on, or have been on something to help "get them by" at some point.  We need to define "mentally ill" and "crazy". This kid was full blown whacked.  Plus every cop, soldier, fireman etc that needed something to help him cope with a tough time would be disqaulifed from carrying a weapon??  This gun control debate will be a loooooooooooooong drawn out battle that may result in NOTHING.  However I feel we will probably see a copy of the last AWB and a ban on high cap mags.  After that it will die off just like fast and furious, and the war on drugs, and immigration reform, and Bengazi and everything else in the world.  Our Government is such a joke, I am actually not that worried.

[SHOOTALL]

You assume no one could recover , as for a test it dosen't need to be a one time deal. it could be that say in their school years if certian traits surface it would indicate a deeper look starting the process to help the person.
You might be correct on the AWB but i bet it will be perment this time.

[Redtail1949]

Empty Quiver is right. there is no answer. none that can satisfy the desire we all have to stop this kind of horror from happening. Madness and Madmen have existed since the begining of time. i wish that someone in that school would have been armed or access to a weapon that mighjt have, i repeat might have been able to put a bullet in this guys head before he was able to carry out this horrific act. i watched as some on the news state that it would have been madness to have a teacher with a firearm. or even an armed policeman stationed act the school. he argued that it would have traumatised the children to see that in their schools. i can only think that any of those parents whould have given anything to have had that before that man went into that school and that someone would have had the chance to stop him. perhaps the man being the coward he obviously was would have no even gone there if he thought that there was a possibility he would be killed before he could have carried out the murders of innocent defenceless kids.