Author Topic: Bread  (Read 2117 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline subdjoe

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3036
  • Gender: Male
Bread
« on: June 23, 2012, 06:44:54 AM »
Here is something I posted on a CAS site.  Thought I might as well share it here:

Rich Bread

Another cobbled together thing. Amounts are approximate, but close (say, in the 8 ring or better).

6 cups AP flour + some for kneading.

1 tsp salt

2 pkg yeast (I buy the big bags of it and pour in what looks like enough. If you are shy on the yeast, it really doesn't matter since the yeast grows anyway, just might take about 15 minutes more for the rise)

2 or 3 TBS sugar

Now it gets a bit tricky - for 6 cups of flour you need about 2 cups of liquid. About half a cup of that will be warm water to proof your yeast (add the sugar to warm water, stir in the yeast and let it get happy). You can use all water if you want. Or milk. Or cream. Or half and half. And two or three eggs don't hurt either, all depends on how rich you want your bread. I'll also add yogurt - just plain if I want a bit of a tang to it, but if I'm making sweet rolls I'll use one of the sweetened vanilla flavored yogurts. If you use yogurt you will likely need about 2 1/2 cups total liquid.

Half a stick of butter, melted. This is optional, although it does give a much nicer crumb.


NOTE: This scales up and down really well. You can cut it in half, double it, increase by about 50% to use 10 cups of flour (I had scaled it down from that 10 cup batch). Just keep in mind that the dry to liquid ratio needs to be about 3:1


METHOD:

Add the sugar to 1/2 cup warm (about 105 - 110 F) water, stir, then add yeast. While the yeast is proofing, mix the flour and salt together. Once the yeast is all frothy and happy, add the rest of the liquids, including the melted butter, then add to the flour. For this small amount, I use a hand mixer with dough hooks, but you could mix by hand, or use a stand mixer like a KitchenAid with the dough hook. Mix well, you want the dough to be a little bit tacky - sticks a little to your fingers. As you are mixing you may need to adjust the flour or liquid. I usually add the last cup of flour a little at a time. A good guide is to watch how it sticks to the mixing bowl. There shouldn't be a lot of flour or dough stuck to the sides. Stop adding flour just when it all pulls away from the sides and you will be about right. If you like a lighter dough, then obviously stop adding flour a bit before that point.

People get all esoteric about kneading the dough. I don't. I clean it off the hooks, give it a couple of quick kneads and put it back in the same bowl. I don't oil the sides either, I think the dough should be able to cling to the sides and climb up the bowl. Cover it and let rise in a warm spot for an hour or so. Punch it down and scrape the sides - it should all come away from the sides easily, but still be a bit tacky. You can use the dough now, or just keep punching it down and kneading it for three or five more times. The more often you let it rise and punch it down, the more the gluten develops, so you can control the texture and "stretchiness" of the dough.

Now, you can just divide it into two loaves, plop it into well greased loaf pans, let rise slightly, and bake at 350 for about 35 to 45 min. and have some great bread. Or you can roll it out and do things with it. For example, roll out half of it into a sheet about 12 x 20, brush it lightly with melted butter, sprinkle it heavily with cinnamon, lightly with sugar, and then add raisins or orange flavored dried cranberries. Starting on the short side, roll up tightly and place on a parchment lined pan, let rise for 15 min. and bake off for 35 to 45 min. (or tuck the ends under, put it in a loaf pan and back that way). The top WILL split open when you roll it out that thin, but I like that look. And you get a nice spiral look when you cut it.

Other things you can do: get a can of Solo Poppyseed filling, thin it out a bit with some canned milk or cream (only use about two tablespoons), and spread that on it before rolling it up.

Or brush it with butter, top with ground nuts and sugar, roll up, etc.

Play with it. Use plain yogurt and back off on the sugar some, roll it out, cover with sliced ham (or other deli-type meat), sliced or grated cheese, roll up an bake. Or just a light coating of Italian seasoning, romano or parmesan cheese, roll up and bake. Use your imagination.
Your ob't & etc,
Joseph Lovell

Justice Robert H. Jackson - It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.

Offline longwinters

  • Moderators
  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3070
Re: Bread
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2012, 02:36:19 PM »
Bread has been my curse.  I cannot for the life of me get it to raise above the bread pan.  I can do an artisan loaf in a cast iron dutch oven, but thats about it. 
 
Typically I get in the bread making mood in the winter months, but we keep our heat at about 67, which seems too cold for a good dough raise.  Maybe I'll have to start making bread in the summer.
 
Long
Life is short......eternity is long.

Offline subdjoe

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3036
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2012, 10:48:46 AM »
Bread has been my curse.  I cannot for the life of me get it to raise above the bread pan.  I can do an artisan loaf in a cast iron dutch oven, but thats about it. 
 
Typically I get in the bread making mood in the winter months, but we keep our heat at about 67, which seems too cold for a good dough raise.  Maybe I'll have to start making bread in the summer.
 
Long

A three cup of flour batch works in a small loaf pan (8 x 4).  Although it should rise above it no matter what.  You might try letting it raise on top of your fridge - there is usually warm air coming up from behind.  On the other hand, if it tastes good, doesn't matter if it gets above the pan or not.
Your ob't & etc,
Joseph Lovell

Justice Robert H. Jackson - It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.

Offline jpshaw

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1063
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #3 on: January 12, 2013, 01:59:20 AM »
My all time favorite bread recipe.  It's French bread so there is no milk product in it at all.  No salt either.  Salt kills yeast and is only added to add shelf life and it will last several days without it so leave it out.  OK, I use a bread machine so if you don't then let it rise for an hour after 30 minutes of kneading then bake at 350 for 30 minutes.
 
4 cups bread or AP flour
2 packets Splenda or 4 tsp sugar
2 Tbs unsalted butter
1 1/2 cups water
1 1/4 tsp yeast
 
Melt the butter with the water (I use a microwave) and pour it into the bread pan.  Mix the flour and the sugar together and pour it on top of the wet ingredients.  Make a little depression in your flour and add your yeast in it.  You don't want the yeast to touch the liquid until the kneading starts.
Set the machine to French (#2) and loaf size to 2 Lb.  Push start and find something to do for about 3 hours and 35 minutes.

Offline subdjoe

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3036
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #4 on: January 12, 2013, 03:46:58 PM »
My all time favorite bread recipe.  It's French bread so there is no milk product in it at all.  No salt either.  Salt kills yeast and is only added to add shelf life and it will last several days without it so leave it out. OK, I use a bread machine so if you don't then let it rise for an hour after 30 minutes of kneading then bake at 350 for 30 minutes.
 
4 cups bread or AP flour
2 packets Splenda or 4 tsp sugar
2 Tbs unsalted butter
1 1/2 cups water
1 1/4 tsp yeast
 
Melt the butter with the water (I use a microwave) and pour it into the bread pan.  Mix the flour and the sugar together and pour it on top of the wet ingredients.  Make a little depression in your flour and add your yeast in it.  You don't want the yeast to touch the liquid until the kneading starts.
Set the machine to French (#2) and loaf size to 2 Lb.  Push start and find something to do for about 3 hours and 35 minutes.

If you put the salt in when proofing the yeast, yeah, it kills it.  But if you proof the yeast first, and have the salt in with the flour, everything is good.  A touch of salt helps support the flavor of the bread, makes it taste "breadier" if you know what I mean. 
Your ob't & etc,
Joseph Lovell

Justice Robert H. Jackson - It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.

Offline Ranger99

  • Trade Count: (1)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 9587
Re: Bread
« Reply #5 on: January 12, 2013, 05:42:52 PM »
l.w. , why don't you make some baking powder
bread if you can't get your yeast to work?
yeast doesn't work good if it's cold, but baking powder
starts as soon as it get wet. of course, you
won't get the good yeasty flavor, but i guess
you could use some beer for your liquid and fix that.
and baking powder works better the fresher it is.
18 MINUTES.  . . . . . .

Offline jpshaw

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1063
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2013, 03:13:08 AM »
If you put the salt in when proofing the yeast, yeah, it kills it.  But if you proof the yeast first, and have the salt in with the flour, everything is good.  A touch of salt helps support the flavor of the bread, makes it taste "breadier" if you know what I mean.

As a heart patient I'm not supposed to have bread at all, too much sodium.  That's why I started making it.  BTW if you do add the salt you need to increase the yeast by 1 tsp.  I've found way to make other products I'm not allowed to have such as milk (totally full of salt) ketchup, cornbread, creamed soups.  I went 2 years without bread at all, not fun.  I would love to have salt in my bread but not risking congestive heart failure for the second time.  Thanks for the tip though.

Offline subdjoe

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3036
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2013, 07:50:16 AM »

 
As a heart patient I'm not supposed to have bread at all, too much sodium.  That's why I started making it.  BTW if you do add the salt you need to increase the yeast by 1 tsp.  I've found way to make other products I'm not allowed to have such as milk (totally full of salt) ketchup, cornbread, creamed soups.  I went 2 years without bread at all, not fun.  I would love to have salt in my bread but not risking congestive heart failure for the second time.  Thanks for the tip though.
[/quote]

Ah!  Of course, get rid of the salt for medical reasons. 

I've never noticed any appreciable difference in time, or the amount of yeast needed, with or without salt in the mix - I sometimes get distracted and will forget to put the salt in, even if I've put it out in a shot glass so I won't forget it.  Heck, I've used only one pkg of yeast when three are called for and not really noticed any difference.  Face it, when you proof the yeast you start it doubling, it doesn't take much more time  to catch up. 

Over the years I've found that bread dough is really pretty forgiving.  Be close to 3:1 flour to liquid, make sure you don't kill the yeast, let it rise at least once, and you are pretty good.  Oh, and make sure you have it covered when you have it rising - that kind of dry, crispy skin that forms on the dough is a bear to get off.
Your ob't & etc,
Joseph Lovell

Justice Robert H. Jackson - It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.

Offline jpshaw

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1063
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2013, 01:12:08 AM »
Basic white bread usually calls for dry milk powder which I'm working on a recipe using a form of Coffee Mate, which is corn based and has no sodium in it.  Actually makes pretty good milk substitute.  If I get it to work I will post it and you guys with good tickers can just add a tsp of salt and a bit more yeast.

Offline subdjoe

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3036
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2013, 03:13:30 AM »
Basic white bread usually calls for dry milk powder which I'm working on a recipe using a form of Coffee Mate, which is corn based and has no sodium in it.  Actually makes pretty good milk substitute.  If I get it to work I will post it and you guys with good tickers can just add a tsp of salt and a bit more yeast.

That would be great, thanks.

Re: Milk.  Usually the only time i add milk is if I'm making bread to use for something like cinnamon rolls or raisin bread or some other "treat" type bread.  Otherwise it is flour, yeast, water, salt, and maybe oil or butter (makes a finer crumb, but isn't really necessary).  Sunset Magazine put out a "Basque Shepard's Bread" recipe in...1972?...and I have been using that basic recipe ever since.  10 cups flour, three cups water, three pkg. yeast, a little sugar (I think it was 3 TBS added to the water when proofing the yeast), a little salt (3 tsp, I think), and a stick of butter or margarine - melted. 
Your ob't & etc,
Joseph Lovell

Justice Robert H. Jackson - It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.

Offline jpshaw

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1063
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #10 on: January 15, 2013, 01:54:25 AM »
10 cups of flour and 3 cups water!  That's a BIG loaf isn't it?

Offline subdjoe

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3036
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #11 on: January 15, 2013, 05:07:03 AM »
10 cups of flour and 3 cups water!  That's a BIG loaf isn't it?

Yep...cooks in a dutch oven (in your oven).

Or two regular loaves and a small pizza.   ;)

At church during Holy Week I'll triple it to make bread for the meals in the evening.
Your ob't & etc,
Joseph Lovell

Justice Robert H. Jackson - It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.

Offline jpshaw

  • GBO Supporter
  • Trade Count: (2)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1063
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2013, 01:21:16 AM »
After several failures (that's how I learn) with liquid Coffee Mate, here is the one that works.  Using a bread machine so just knead your own and let it rise if you don't use one.
 
Basic white bread with Coffee Mate (I use Walmarts original coffee creamer in powder form).
 
3 cups bread flour
1 cup water
2 Packets of Splenda
1 packet of yeast
2 Tbs of Coffee Creamer powder
2 Tbs of unsalted butter
 
Melt the butter and add the water and place that into the bread machiine pan.  Mix all the dry ingredients except the yeast together and pour that on top of the wet ingredients.  Make a little depression in your dry ingredients and pour your yeast into it so it doesn't touch the wet.  Set machine to basic white (#1) and to 1 1/2 Lb loaf and push start.  Mine takes 3 hours and 18 minutes for this small loaf.  For any heart patients out there this will come to 24 mg of sodium for the whole darn loaf.

Offline subdjoe

  • Trade Count: (0)
  • Senior Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 3036
  • Gender: Male
Re: Bread
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2013, 01:19:54 AM »
After several failures (that's how I learn) with liquid Coffee Mate, here is the one that works.  Using a bread machine so just knead your own and let it rise if you don't use one.
 
Basic white bread with Coffee Mate (I use Walmarts original coffee creamer in powder form).
 
3 cups bread flour
1 cup water
2 Packets of Splenda
1 packet of yeast
2 Tbs of Coffee Creamer powder
2 Tbs of unsalted butter
 
Melt the butter and add the water and place that into the bread machiine pan.  Mix all the dry ingredients except the yeast together and pour that on top of the wet ingredients.  Make a little depression in your dry ingredients and pour your yeast into it so it doesn't touch the wet.  Set machine to basic white (#1) and to 1 1/2 Lb loaf and push start.  Mine takes 3 hours and 18 minutes for this small loaf.  For any heart patients out there this will come to 24 mg of sodium for the whole darn loaf.

Darned low Na!

The Splenda - a touch of sweetness without adding any calories?

And thanks for the hint on using creamer.  I made a batch of dough a few hours ago and was wishing for some powdered milk.  I have half an industrial sized can of Coffeemate in the pantry...wish I had thought of it.
Your ob't & etc,
Joseph Lovell

Justice Robert H. Jackson - It is not the function of the government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the government from falling into error.