Help: Extraction Problems

[dross80]

Background: I had a Handi Rifle Barrel in 357 Max. I sent it to Wayne York to have it converted to 358 Win. When it came back, it wouldn't extract, and then the same day I got it, the extractor broke. Wayne instisted it worked at least once when it left his shop. He suggested I buy a 308 extractor and put it in myself. I did that, and it still won't extract. It must have something to do with going from the rimmed 357 shell to the 308.


Thoughts, advice, or a gunsmith I can trust?

[quickdtoo]

Just so we're using the correct terminolgy, is the barrel an ejector or extractor? If it was an ejector, you must do the rimless modification(FAQs) to the underlug before it will work properly, if it's an extractor, no modications are required other than swapping extractors.

Tim

[Dinny]

PM reply sent.

Thanks, Dinny

[dross80]

Just so we're using the correct terminolgy, is the barrel an ejector or extractor? If it was an ejector, you must do the rimless modification(FAQs) to the underlug before it will work properly, if it's an extractor, no modications are required other than swapping extractors.

Tim

I had thought it was an extractor, but I couldn't remember since it had been a while since I shot it before I had it converted. I ordered an extractor but now I'm not sure what was originally in it. I don't know how to tell the difference visually, which I'm sure of course is in the FAQ along with every other thing I want to know.

[Dinny]

I now believe it was an ejector??





Thanks, Dinny

[quickdtoo]

Dinny's pic is an ejector, my pic is an extractor.

Tim

[dross80]

I now believe it was an extractor??





Thanks, Dinny

That's the barrrel. So that's an extractor? Because upon reading the FAQ, I would have thought I was wrong and it was an ejector.

[Dinny]

Dinny's pic is an ejector.

Tim

I just compared my other barrel. I concur.

My bad, I was wrong.


Thanks, Dinny

[Dinny]

If it was an ejector, you must do the rimless modification(FAQs) to the underlug before it will work properly

Tim

Would this need to be done before Wayne could have tested it?

Thanks, Dinny

[dross80]

So, to follow this train of logic:


1. The ejector didn't work for rimless.
2. It broke.
3. I replaced the ejector with a new extractor.


Here's a fly in the ointment: Upon reading the the rimmed to rimless conversion you're supposed to add a little hat-like part on the spring that fits in a hole. Mine has that. Why didn't it work in the first place?


Is the fix to now order a 308 ejector part to replace the extractor part I ordered by mistake?

[quickdtoo]

Buy a 30-06(243,308 ect) family ejector if you can find one, plus the lift button or make one and modify the underlug to accept the lift button. Numrich doesn't list the 30-06 ejectors any more, a cut down hornet or 223 would work, or you can convert it to an extractor and just order an extractor for it.

Tim

http://www.gunpartscorp.com/Manufacturers/NewEnglandFirearms-33412/HandiRifleSB2-37578.htm?results=All

[Dinny]

Not to hijack this thread, but I'm seeing a common problem between this barrel and my other D&T stubbed 356 Win barrel. Both started out as ejectors and originally chambered for rimless cartridges. Both of them are now chambered for rimmed cartridges and both of them required a shim to catch the rim of the new cartridges. Is this a sign of some greater issue? Is it possible that neither of them received the rimless to rimmed ejector mods?

Thanks, Dinny

[quickdtoo]

There's no need for mods going from rimless to rimmed other than the ejector post height itself, just for rimmed to rimless, rimmed chamberings don't use the lift button which is required for rimless ejectors.

Tim

[Dinny]

There's no need for mods going from rimless to rimmed other than the ejector post height itself, just for rimmed to rimless, rimmed chamberings don't use the lift button which is required for rimless ejectors.

Tim

So by adding the shim and raising the post height I have done all that's needed for my conversion? Could Dross's problems be solved by changing to .356 Win brass using the parts he currently has?

Thanks, Dinny

[woody1071]

I just sent an extractor barrel for the same conversion. Wayne assured me he could make the .358 extract properly when I talked to him. This was just before I talked to Dinny about going to .356 yesterday.  I'm not sure which way to go now.  Should I expect that Wayne will be able to make the .356 or .358 extractor work properly or should I buy something to make it work when I get it back?  What would I buy if I go with the .356? What would I buy if I went with the .358?


I'm a little confused here if you didn't notice.

[quickdtoo]

There's no need for mods going from rimless to rimmed other than the ejector post height itself, just for rimmed to rimless, rimmed chamberings don't use the lift button which is required for rimless ejectors.

Tim

So by adding the shim and raising the post height I have done all that's needed for my conversion? Could Dross's problems be solved by changing to .356 Win brass using the parts he currently has?

Thanks, Dinny

A shim may not allow the ejector post to drop down when the action is opened so the round will eject, it may extract fine if the ejector has been modified to only extract tho. If Wayne made a rim cut for the .356, it could be made to work. In my experience, Wayne doesn't have the best track record on ejector and extractor function, I've just been doing them myself.

Tim

[quickdtoo]

I just sent an extractor barrel for the same conversion. Wayne assured me he could make the .358 extract properly when I talked to him. This was just before I talked to Dinny about going to .356 yesterday.  I'm not sure which way to go now.  Should I expect that Wayne will be able to make the .356 or .358 extractor work properly or should I buy something to make it work when I get it back?  What would I buy if I go with the .356? What would I buy if I went with the .358?


I'm a little confused here if you didn't notice.

Depends on if he's working with an ejector barrel or an extractor barrel, extractor barrels are pretty easy, ejectors aren't.

Tim

[woody1071]

What I sent him was an extractor barrel.

[quickdtoo]

That should simplify the issue, shouldn't be a problem. 

Tim

[woody1071]

Thanks. That makes me feel better.