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VT gun range bars police over city semi auto gun ban.
« on: January 28, 2013, 11:36:34 AM »
Police barred from Vermont gun range over proposed semi-automatic rifle ban  By Molly Line
Published January 28, 2013
FoxNews.com      The battle over the right to bear arms is flaring in Vermont, where a local gun range has moved to prohibit the Burlington Police Department from training at its facilities after the City Council voted to advance a measure banning semi-automatic rifles and large-capacity magazines.
 
The leadership of the Lamoille Valley Fish and Game Club explained that it's "difficult" for the club to support the city -- even its officers -- given the actions of the council. 
"We have members in Burlington as well as members of our club that are going to be passing through Burlington and this would directly affect them and we felt that a prejudicial vote like that was going to be non-supportive of our club and being non-supportive of our club makes it very difficult to support Burlington City," said Bob Boivin, chairman of the Lamoille Valley Fish and Game Club.
 
"It is a constitutional issue. I mean, it's not just a Second Amendment constitutional issue; but it's also a constitutional issue for Vermont. We have laws that have the state governing our gun controls in this area and they're looking to supersede those," he said. 
The group's ban will affect how and when officers train in the state, where such facilities are limited.
In response, the Burlington Police Department released a statement saying: "It is unfortunate that this important and much-needed community dialogue regarding gun control currently under way in the City of Burlington and across the nation has resulted in this action."
 
The city government is defending the measure.
"In the absence of federal legislation or state law we feel it has come upon us as a city to take the measures we feel are necessary to protect our citizens," Burlington City Councilman Norman Blais said.
"Ultimately, I don't think that the best way to assert control over guns is at the local level," conceded Joan Shannon, president of the Burlington City Council. "But here in Burlington, I think we felt the need to act because we didn't see action coming from either the state level or the federal level."
Boivin argues city-by-city gun rules would create a multitude of challenges.
"If you're going to a shoot, say in one end of Vermont to the other, you have to check the laws for every town in between, and you will pass through a half a dozen different towns, and that makes it almost impossible for someone to stay as a legal gun owner, and that's what we're concerned about," he said.
 
Shannon said the council's action are only a first step toward better protecting the people of the city, "but this at least gets the discussion started and often times we have found in Burlington that we lead the way and others will follow, and I think that that's the intention here."
The Burlington City Council's proposal to ban certain assault weapons is far from being implemented. City voters would get a say in 2014. Then the measure would require approval by the Vermont legislature. Finally, if it does become law, it's likely to face a constitutional challenge from gun-rights advocates.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/01/28/cops-barred-from-gun-range-over-semi-automatic-rifle-ban/#ixzz2JJQIocKK
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Re: VT gun range bars police over city semi auto gun ban.
« Reply #1 on: January 28, 2013, 04:42:24 PM »
All of the liberal New York transplants are doing their best to ruin the great state of Vermont. Liberal conclaves like Burlington are a prime example. Vermont already has the lowest per capita murder rate in the country due to their lack of gun control laws - anyone can legally carry concealed with no permit required.

Using liberal logic, Vermont (anyone can legally carry concealed) should have the highest murder rate in the country and Chicago (nobody can legally carry concealed) should have the lowest murder rate in the country. Despite these laws (or lack thereof) it's just the opposite. These Socialists in Burlington don't care about facts, though. It's good to see people standing up to this nonsense.
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Re: VT gun range bars police over city semi auto gun ban.
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2013, 02:13:51 AM »
Good for the gun range.  Give them a dose of their own medicine.  :)
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« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2013, 03:07:23 AM »
My wife questioned me on murder rates etc. in areas that have a high gun-owner population.
one of the worst is New Orleans.
so last night I spent several hours researching the subject.  I looked at several different things including population make-up.
Here's what I came up with.  guns have a smaller influence on crime that I thought.  guns have indeed stopped a lot of rapes, muggings, and murders.  But by far the biggest influence on crime is, and the liberals will try to get me for this, crime rates are tied to race.  the safest place to live is Lincoln Nebraska with a black percentage of 2.9.  even El Paso, with its large latino population is about 4 times safer than Atlanta.
most murders seem to be black on black.  my dad would have said, "them people ain't had no school housing".
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Re: VT gun range bars police over city semi auto gun ban.
« Reply #4 on: January 29, 2013, 03:25:34 AM »
My wife questioned me on murder rates etc. in areas that have a high gun-owner population.
one of the worst is New Orleans.
so last night I spent several hours researching the subject.  I looked at several different things including population make-up.
Here's what I came up with.  guns have a smaller influence on crime that I thought.  guns have indeed stopped a lot of rapes, muggings, and murders.  But by far the biggest influence on crime is, and the liberals will try to get me for this, crime rates are tied to race.  the safest place to live is Lincoln Nebraska with a black percentage of 2.9.  even El Paso, with its large latino population is about 4 times safer than Atlanta.
most murders seem to be black on black.  my dad would have said, "them people ain't had no school housing".
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That's the elephant in the room that nobody wants to acknowledge.

Now, what do you suppose is the reason for this?  What percentage of black homes are single parent homes compared to homes of other races and could this play a factor? 
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« Reply #5 on: January 29, 2013, 06:03:25 AM »
Quote from Brett relating to a BUGEYE post:
"Now, what do you suppose is the reason for this?  What percentage of black homes are single parent homes compared to homes of other races and could this play a factor?"

Could be a factor. So as Christians what might you do to help? Invite a single black mother and children into your home to see what real family life can be like. Befriend a black kid of a single mom and spend quality time with him/her so they can experience a positive male role model. Offer to babysit while the mother goes to a job interview. Help that mother find proper affordable clothing for that interview. Personally invite them to attend your church, offer transportation. Or are you all just going to go on whining?
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Re: VT gun range bars police over city semi auto gun ban.
« Reply #6 on: January 29, 2013, 06:11:27 AM »
Guzzi:
 
That makes no sense considering the magnitude of the situaiton. The reality is called white flight, and it's a rational response to urban decay.

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« Reply #7 on: January 29, 2013, 07:29:18 AM »
Well Guzzi our family has done a few of the things you have mentioned.  What about you?
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« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2013, 08:35:52 AM »
Quote from Brett:
"Well Guzzi our family has done a few of the things you have mentioned.  What about you?"


Either my wife or myself have done or offered to do what I have mentioned. Many of these people living like that regardless of race just plain either do not know how to dig themselves out or do not have the basic tools to do it, that is where we can help. We are guardians to a significantly mentally disabled black man even though he lives 35 miles from us because no one else would do it locally. Now I will say some just do not want anything different but many, no most want a better life if they can find a way to it. We are all dealt different cards to start our lives with. Most of us have been blessed to have been born in this country to a middle class family but many are not.
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Re: VT gun range bars police over city semi auto gun ban.
« Reply #9 on: January 29, 2013, 10:14:55 AM »
It's going to go nowhere.

Our Gov. in VT is an avid hunter. trust me nothings going to come of this.  He has already stated publicly several times since the Newtown shooting that he opposes state-level restrictions on firearms. Vt's rights to bear arms is written into our state constitution.

Burlington has too many hunters living within the  cities boundaries. Hunting is a part of who we Vermonters are. Any legislator who tries to change or restrict wont be around for long in this state.  We still have more cows than people in this state. and of the people that are here the majority are either hunters or have hunters in their family.

Like I said , the only thing going anywhere is the individual legislator dumb enough to propose any kind of legislation. They for sure will be going to the unemployment office.Guns and hunting isn't a sport in this state , it has been a way of life for over 200 years.
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« Reply #10 on: January 29, 2013, 02:46:14 PM »
VT sounds like a fine place to be...
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« Reply #11 on: January 29, 2013, 04:10:31 PM »
VT sounds like a fine place to be...

It sure is, they actually understand the meaning of "shall not be infringed".
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« Reply #12 on: January 29, 2013, 04:19:06 PM »
VT sounds like a fine place to be...

It sure is, they actually understand the meaning of "shall not be infringed".

The subject matter of this thread makes it apparent that they do not. ::)
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« Reply #13 on: January 29, 2013, 04:34:51 PM »
VT sounds like a fine place to be...

It sure is, they actually understand the meaning of "shall not be infringed".

The subject matter of this thread makes it apparent that they do not. ::)

I live next door in NH about an hour and a half from the border. I'm a non-resident yet I can freely drive into that state with my LCR in my pocket legally, no permit required. Residents and non-residents both can legally bear arms without worry of being treated like a criminal. Like I mentioned earlier, there are lots of liberal transplants from New York but VT still is one of the most gun friendly states in the union.
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