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Offline KIMBER45

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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #30 on: January 29, 2013, 03:38:21 PM »
   the good parts I agree with - [tell me how you feel about these]
1. Health insurance providers can't cancel your coverage once you get sick – a practice known as "rescission" – unless you committed fraud or intentionally withheld facts about your health when you applied for coverage.
  2. Youth can be covered under a parent's plan until they turn 26.  3. Children with pre-existing conditions cannot be denied coverage.  4. Health insurance providers may not place a lifetime maximum on benefits.  5. Insurers are required to give consumers rebates if they spend less than 80 to 85 percent of premium dollars on medical care. 6. Health plans created after Sept. 23, 2010, are required to cover certain preventative services without requiring copays, deductibles and coinsurance.  7. The law expands Medicare's coverage of preventive services, such as screenings for colon, prostate and breast cancer, which are now free to beneficiaries. Medicare will also pay for an annual wellness visit to the doctor.  8. If you are older than 65, the law is narrowing a gap in the Medicare Part D prescription drug plan known as the "doughnut hole."   9. Starting Aug. 1, employers must provide health insurance plans that offer birth control as part of their preventative services.  And what’s coming in 2014:  10. Adults with pre-existing conditions will not be denied coverage (this already applies to children).  11. People who don't qualify for Medicaid but still can't afford insurance may be eligible for government subsidies. The subsidies would be used to help pay for private insurance sold in the state-based insurance marketplaces, called exchanges, slated to begin operation in 2014.  12. Applicants will not be rejected for insurance because of health status once the exchanges are operating in 2014.  13. If a state does decide to expand Medicaid, people with an income at or below 133 percent of the federal poverty level would be eligible to receive coverage.  From Caspian X2    14. Insurers have less ability to change the amount customers have to pay for their plans.   15. Insurers can't just drop customers once they get sick.   16. Insurers need to have an appeals process for when they turn down a claim, so customers have some manner of recourse other than a lawsuit when they're turned down.   17. If any state can come up with their own plan, one which gives citizens the same level of care at the same price as the PPACA, they can ask the Secretary of Health and Human Resources for permission to do their plan instead of the PPACA. So if they can get the same results without, say, the mandate, they can be allowed to do so. Vermont, for example, has expressed a desire to just go straight to single-payer (in simple terms, everyone is covered, and medical expenses are paid by taxpayers).
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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #31 on: January 29, 2013, 03:50:02 PM »
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Cost wise I would like to see if the cost of homosexual sex is any more costly than heterosexual sex .

 
 
 
 
Me thinks you're being glib.  I think we both know the answer to that one (not to mention that heterosexual sex is NECESSARY for procreation).
Necessary- but there is alot of heterosexual sex that is not only for the purpose of reproduction. Unprotected sex spreads alot of aids and othe STD's. That was my point. Since the homosexual population is much smaller than that of the heterosexual population , I wonder how close the costs are comparing the two . Example - in certain areas of Africa- Aids is in epidemic proportions. This is in a heterosexual community. It is caused by unprotected sex. I don't see anything glip about my arguement .
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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #32 on: January 29, 2013, 03:55:55 PM »
You still don't just "cold turkey" a lot of overweight people or those that smoke like this. Metabolic
rates change and like an hard core alcoholic this has to be done in a series of ways .
With some smokers depression can set in and with the over weight their entire lifestyle has to be
determined . This is an idiotic approach by uncareing morons who have no idea what they are doing.
People may like to smoke , but if given the chanch they would quit. It's the same with over weight
people , no one wants to be fat. Both also carry a mental dependency that stems from a lot of
different factors. Anyone can sit and criticize these people, but until you walk a mile in their shoes
do not victimize them. Hay, they have paid into the system also sometimes more than the rest of us .
And we all have some nasty little habit that could use some modifications .

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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #33 on: January 29, 2013, 04:29:52 PM »
 Kimber I can absolutely see the supposed draw to obamacare, from the point of those who don't have to pay the bill. I can also say that there's no doubt our system needed some provision to take care of the poor, the elderly. It was and is called medicare and medicade and it did take care of those who couldn't take care of themselves, and the elderly who had paid into it. Folks with no insurance were taken care of through incredible non profits, and through additional amounts we all paid into our policies. Somehow, some way, everyone got care and it was the best in the world.

 Now what did obamacare do? It still provides for the poor, provides for everyone, just as before. The difference is that the gov will be controlling the decisions and the money. 20+ percent of the whole U.S. economy. You can look to the post offices track record, or any other gov agency to see the standard of fiscal responsibility they possess. It doesn't bode well for us. On top of this, all who work will see their rates go up, dramatically for some. The economic drain only further cripples an already weak market. Biggest loss of all is our freedom to choose and the loss of freemarket, its a march torward socialism plain and simple.

 Guess none of it matters but it was something to talk about. Its(obamacare) to be implimented and pay more we will.

  Now I'm gonna go see how you fended off Anna ;D

 
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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #34 on: January 29, 2013, 04:39:37 PM »
Easy now , the whole argument is stupid. A lot of the times when people die the taxpayer ends up
footing some or all of the funeral bills. Am I to say , Hay man I'm not going to have to pay because that guy just up and died ! My taxes should not go to anymore dead people !
Unless of course they vote Democrat.

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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #35 on: January 29, 2013, 05:24:53 PM »
Yeah the whole thing IS stupid, and it'll remain a micky mouse dog and pony show from now on probably. What I'm waiting for next is to hear how firearms will be regulated through the obamacare act as some kinda safegaurd against docs having to treat gunshot wounds..  I'm sure that'll be weaseled in the bill somehow.

  Is what it is for now, better for all of us to rejoice in the ineptitude of the admin in trying to regulate this obamanation, from what I saw today, almost half the states have refused to set up obama trading card stations(insurance exchanges). Their conservative gov's won't foot the bill for the exchanges and the fed admin hasn't done anything but panic over being ignored. Its highly doubtful that these exchanges are going to be able to handle the caseload by the date of complience. Gotta love them who rebel.  J
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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #36 on: January 29, 2013, 05:55:03 PM »
The real problem with all of this is that we as natural born Americans regardless of lifestyle have
been paying into the general fund most of our lives . Especially the ones amoung us who are senior
citizens now . Then we are denied any medical care when we need it most or are down on our luck .
When we have millions who came here illegally and never paid a dime into it getting better care than we are .

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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #37 on: January 29, 2013, 07:38:10 PM »
Obama care is going to bankrupt the country and not provide any more healthcare.
What drives me crazy is that they never looked at the costs of healthcare to suposedly reduce the costs of healthcare.
This was another promise of 40 acers and a mule.  Sometbing they prommise and prommise and never actually give. 
we should start to treat health care like any other national product and let profits and service dictate what products are available.  Personally I would love to have a medical savings account and a severe accident policy. 
it would make it cheaper for my company, and for me to see a doctor, cheaper for the company means we can hire a few more people.  Cheaper for me means that I may go more often.  But when a co-pay is more than the treatment there is a problem.
Teddy Kennedy said that the HMO and PPO would fix health care and make it more affordable for all and would end the problems in the nation.  Now we are being told that we need to have Obama care and the penalty for not providing healthcare from a company is far less than providing the care.  eventually forcing all companies to pay the penalty and drive the employees to the public policy.  Driving up the costs to you. After all Obama in the same breath said you can keep your insurance and then said Obamacare will end all private insurance companies in the next 10 years.  How can you keep your policy if he plans on killing the insurance companies?

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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #38 on: January 30, 2013, 12:12:19 AM »
Well the whole thought on trolling was pretty tongue in cheek---you do troll to see what people think and then take issue with the thoughts brought out.
I am not particularly opposed or offended--it is the way you are.
The gov. at some point began to think that folks needed help to stay a live. I never understood why or who came up with this.
I can assure you that I was raised under this Social Security thought and bought into it because i thought that was the way it was meant to be.
I have seen the light though. People are stifled when spoon fed. The mentality becomes one of dependancy and not survival.
Lots to be said about this.
I wouldn't take my commentary to hard---unless you would want to deny that some folks are just to lazy to survive without help. I am not against folks just dieing if they wish to stay on the tit.
I smoke---without apology. I may die from the results----hell, I do a lot of things I am not susposed tod do according to whatever source you wish to respect that wants to tell you how to do it.
It is for sure That I will die and I will not die healty. i don't even care if I leave a beautiful coprse---matter of fact---I will be happy to die and leave this old corpse to its intended final act of decay. It has been decaying since I was concieved.
Folks make too much out of living---IMO. You can find more happiness the moment you consider yourownself dead than when you worried to much about staying alive.
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Re: Looks bad for smokers and us old fat men
« Reply #39 on: January 30, 2013, 07:35:31 AM »
My problem is not so much with Obamacare as it is with a government who can't pass a budget, reign in a 16 trillion dollar debt, pull off a successful gun running operation, save four people in Benghazi with enough firepower to fight a small war minutes away....and they want me to believe they can administer a healthcare program which they are exempt from participating in?
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