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Offline Spencer

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« on: January 27, 2004, 02:20:34 PM »
I know this should probably go in the politic forum, but it isa New York issue.  It seems that buried in the budget is an increase in Pistol Permit fees.  Along with that, they want you to renew your pistol permit every five years and pay $100.  At that time, they will "review" your license.  Review does not sound good.  Besides, an anti gun judge could just take your permit away if he is reviewing your case.  As well as the fee and "review"  at that time they want you to register all personally owned firearms.  Sounds like they want me to register my shotgun as well.  what is next, all new yorkers registering all of their long guns?  This does not sound good.  For more info contact the NYS rifle and pistol association at WWW.NYSRPA.org and click on Pataki's budget.  If they are trying to pass these bills hidden in the budget, maybe it is time to call or e mail your senator and assemblyman as well as the governor.  If I posted this in the wrong spot or am not allowed to post a web site on the forum, I apologize.  Delete this and PM me the details so I can put this where it belongs.

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« Reply #1 on: January 27, 2004, 02:31:28 PM »
Hey Spenser thanks for the info. I willl fire off those emails after I post this message. We sure need to keep track of the politicians. Again thanx for the info.
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« Reply #2 on: January 27, 2004, 02:33:19 PM »
Since I have been in AK for five years now my permit is not valid.  But I am not going to turn it in either. :roll:

Fight em, guys!!!!!!!!!!!!  With Schulmer and Hiltlery back there you need to hang together on issues just in case I decide to come back some day.
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2004, 03:46:20 AM »
check out www.scopeny.org for details.
Hold your elected [Republican party] officials feet to the fire. If they want to be re-elected,they'd better deep six this Pataki idiocy.

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« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2004, 05:40:52 PM »
I just heard about this earlier today.........This is the first that I saw it in print..  I will round up the troops that I know have guns and will be affected starting tomorrow.  Boy, this is some sorry "representation" that we have in Albany..  Wish we could impeach them all!!!     Rol
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« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2004, 07:06:02 AM »
Thanks Rol . And I hope everyone else who reads it does the same thing.  We need to stand up to this because like I say next step will be not having the guns we have the right to have
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« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2004, 07:17:35 AM »
I'm afraid this will be an uphill battle, because quite frankly, NY gun owners can't do better than Pataki and the Republicans, and they (Pataki,et al) know it. Pataki has been quite a disappointment, running for his first term by sounding Conservative, and then spending $ and supporting liberal causes to stay in office.
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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2004, 03:12:35 PM »
Two Possible Scenarios

First,  they are really serious because because of the deficit and need to raise money, and New York loves fees instead of just taxing people who
can better afford paying tax..

Second,  the most likely in my opinion.  The politicians are playing their usual games.   The propose something ridiculous so that people will
send money to organizations to oppose the proposal.  These organizations pay lobbyists who donate money to the politicans they think will support their cause.   This is the way politicians get contributions.  After living in
Albany for many years I guarantee this is how they operate.

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« Reply #8 on: February 06, 2004, 11:17:58 AM »
Does anyone have a list of ,or addresses of the people to contact? Thanks Mtrude

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« Reply #9 on: February 06, 2004, 07:34:32 PM »
I tell you that they are going to tax people right out of NY State...We are already one of the highest...I love my home but some other place may be more inviting...Instead of giving so much of my salary to the government maybe I could save some for myself.
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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2004, 01:03:59 AM »
Hello, Here are some addresses that may help. The first one is Mr Aubertines(Assembly) the second is Mrs Scozzofaza, (Assembly) the third is the N.Y.S. Assembly website, and the fourth is the SCOPE website which deals with N.Y.S. gunlaws. The first two cover the North country or at least part of it,  I cant get the Senate address to transfer?, but other contacts are available on the Assembly and the Scope website. I  hope this helps, Its time to let them know what you think.mtrude



http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?ad=118
http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/mem/?ad=122
http://www.assembly.state.ny.us/
http://www.scopeny.org/

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« Reply #11 on: February 07, 2004, 06:01:09 AM »
hey Mtrude are yo uin the districts of Aubertine and Scozzafavva? Just wondering because I am
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« Reply #12 on: February 07, 2004, 01:57:49 PM »
Hello, Yes I am, I live in Hermon near Trout Lake, did you say in a earlier post you live in Heuvelton? I was in a gunshop today and saw a letter from Mr Aubertine about this tax. He seems to be  against it.

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« Reply #13 on: February 07, 2004, 03:07:57 PM »
Yes I am on Heuvelton. I got one of those letterws in the mail promising to fight it. I think a compromise will coome out of it. They will  lower the fee for now until 25 or so then slowly raise it up to the 100 they want. Stick it to us a little at a time and we will not complain as much.
”A gun is like a parachute. If you need one, and don’t have one, you’ll probably never need one again.”

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« Reply #14 on: February 08, 2004, 02:20:22 AM »
Hey everyone, new to the board.

Went to a Putnum Fish and Game meeting on Friday and our political person gave us the lowdown.
 Appears as usual that the $ are a scare tactic, but the underlying idea is to make ALL permits limited to 5 years with renewal.  Also, the state permit really isn't that at all.  In the lower counties we're already getting charged to do some of this stuff.  Nassau is $10 per new gun, and there are renewal fees for Westchester, the city and the island.
Once they do that permit part, the thought was that it may not be limited to pistols (something in the wording) and they may try to make NY similar to NJ with rifles as well.

We don't want that.

Westchester is already dealing (regarding pistols) with what you will have to if this passes.

Send eMails, make phonecalls,  but WRITE letters. Letters can't be simply checked off as a YES or NO on a sheet of paper in an office.

They make a nice pile and show alot more dedication.

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« Reply #15 on: February 08, 2004, 09:34:12 AM »
It seems to me that Pataki and his henchmen/woman didn't really think this one out. As far as I'm concerned, IF, and it probably isn't, their goal is to make more money for the state,  they are going to loose, not gain.  I think that as dedicated NYS sportsman, we have to all get together and somehow, just like many of the out of staters, happen to forget to buy our hunting licenses till after we shoot our deer or turkeys.
Or maybe in Boston Tea Party form, just forget all together for a few years in protest to the "TAX". After all, we do put a LOT more money into the state coffers than we get credit for. I myself spent $84.- this year between my super sportsman and trapping licenses alone. Forget about all the sales tax on outdoor camping, hiking, canoeing equipment, guns, ammo, clothing etc. I purchased and will continue to purchase. Maybe I'll start going to Jersey or PA to buy my toys.  

Getting pissed. So I better get off this topic.

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« Reply #16 on: February 09, 2004, 08:33:55 AM »
Jadgzeit:  I think it is inevitable that we may see some fee increase for pistol permits and the like.  I don't like it and will fight it but I think just the same we will probably see it.  

The concern I have is that some librul sob will try a tax or a fee, similar to the increase in tobacco fees/costs, that will attempt to fiscally penalize us for the criminal ills of society, and opine that since we want guns, our fees/taxes should pay for the increased costs of health care caused by guns.  

It  really bothers me is that the two lowest, slimiest, most liberal communists in the US Senate come right from NY.  How on earth they managed to get elected is beyond me but one thing is for sure, they are commies from the start and must be controlled.  I think the way to do that is through an increased showing of sportsmen, activities so related, and the continued and on-going lambasting of anyone who proposes fees, fee increases or taxes on anything sports related.  Putting criminals back to work sweeping the streets will save more money than increased gun fees will garner, and we would then place the appropriate social stigmas where they belong, on the guilty criminal, not the innocent law-abiding citizen.

For example in Auburn, NY this past weekend there was a wonderful sporting event - the Annual Auburn Crow Shoot.  208 hunters, with some from as far away as Arizona and Kentucky, busted over 1,000 crows out of the crow population of about 25K.  I would gladly pay a dollar for each crow I could bust, if I could shoot all weekend like that.  I feel that we could put that $ toward our own preparatory defenses by funding and hosting a greater number of similar events.  A few pennies from each $ should go to reducing the gun regulatory or limitating efforts of the anti-gun elected and some of the $ to the pro-gun elected.  I think we should try to establish many more annual or bi-annual hunts or shoots to support our elected pro-gun defenders.  Nothing talks like the almight dollar and sportsmens groups donate quite a bit.  Also, nothing talks like the press, and it sure doesn't cost much to get a half page byline to run for a couple fo days.  

I'm willing to bet that a bit of a cost to benefit analysis of the amount of $ collected by any proposed fee hikes would be grossly off-set (that is, there would be more $ to contribute) by hosting events like the Auburn Crow Shoot.

Ya know, we've tried the Eddie Eagle approach, we've caved in at every danged turn, we've accepted limitations and regulations we've seen forced down our dang throats and those jerks just keep calling for more.  We've seen our own efforts sabotaged by those of our membership who don't like so and so, or who don't think the regulations will ever apply to them, or who don't shoot this or who don't shoot that or who don't see the obvious concern in an issue the rest of us do.  

I think it is high time that we just say - hay you jerks (including our own disparate), we're going to do this, it is legal and we have fun doing it and we use the money for good causes, ours!  The heck with contributing to this or that - the 'thises or thats' get lots more $ from other sources than we can give them and it looks like we are trying to suck up.  Screw that!  We need more crow shoots, carp shoots, more Mexican Duck Shoots (no ducks involved), and  alot more public exposure - geez, we hide everything we do so nobody will get upset with us.  That thinking is just plain wrong.  We skulk around every darn time someone says 'Oh, you're going out to kill an innocent deer'.  We should say 'Yes, I'm going to kill it, field dress it, bring it home, perpare it for consumption, and eat it.  I fully intend to reduce the concern about Chronic Wasting Disease by hunting and taking all I can all I can legally take.  What I do not eat for myself I will donate to food pantries.  I prefer not to eat commercially butchered meats, as you do, I do not patronize MacGaggies or Burger Krap, and I contribute more to the needy than you do, so blow off'.  

You can't go head to head with zealots because they refuse to listen and refuse to accept another's point of view.  So why waste our time.  We can easily outdo them and should just enjoy what we wish and do so in greater public view.  Protestors will always protest, so who cares.  We should counter protest with our enjoyable activities and let them be the ones to skulk away or be the ones not served at the coffee counter.  

Me, I'm planning on going to the next Annual Auburn Crow Shoot, am planning to do a lot more hunting and shooting this year and would hope to all get out that I see a lot of members from this forum and many others at those events.  

Greybeard used to have the annual blackpowder shoots down south but I don't know if he still has them or not, but we should do something like that here, and make a lot of public noise about it.  I think we all should support activities like the Auburn Crow Shoot, just flood $ and shooters right into Auburn, lay out our cash that's going to the right causes, shoot up all the old shotgun shells we have been hoarding for all these years, bust up tons of crows and reduce the state's concerns about the spread of West Nile disease.  I think we should publicly, and loudly, invite any of the elected who would like to participate, and very loudly and publicly not invite those who would detract from our cause.  Imagine how easy it might be to put an anti-gun politician on the defensive by simply excluding them from an event that is otherwise public, and keeping them there...... Now, that would be worth a dollar a crow.  

And this is just Mikey.

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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2004, 02:27:41 AM »
I like the idea of a local shoot. The Gouverneur Rod and Gun club used to have a good blackpowder shoot every year. Im not sure how well its attended as everyone is going modern.You would probably have to have a turkey shoot  at a rod and gun club to cover the insurance.  Mikey are you near Auburn? I am from that area originally. Have fun Mtrude

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« Reply #18 on: February 21, 2004, 01:51:04 AM »
They also have a nice one at Massena too. I spoke in person yesterday with my Assemblyman Darryl Aubertine. He assured me that this will not pass. He seemed sincere, and I hope he was.
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« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2004, 02:30:43 AM »
The pistol provision in the budget was soundly defeated!!!!
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« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2004, 07:11:05 PM »
Lee D., defeated meaning it's not gonna happen? Its gonna stay the way way it is now?
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« Reply #21 on: February 26, 2004, 03:48:14 AM »
Staying the way it is now.
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« Reply #22 on: February 26, 2004, 04:26:54 AM »
mtrude:  I'm in Schenectady County - that's a fair piece from Auburn, unfortunately.  But, I am glad to read from Lee D. that this measure was defeated.  

I'm just getting real tired of having everybody trying to hit up on the shooters and gun owners.  I repeat that I feel we should have a more publically aware presence and make our voices MUCH louder and heard much more frequently.  

That crow shoot down in your neck of the woods is just the type of ticket, too and I think we should advocate for and/or sponsor more of that type of shooting activity on a regular basis.  Mikey.

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« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2004, 06:34:45 AM »
I heard the reults on NPR(national public radio) which is pretty amazing in itself.  The point of the whole matter is that WE changed the outcome.  Whenever one of these things comes up we need to spread the word and then act on it.  Almost every pistol permit holder I spoke to already knew about it but some did not know how to do anything.  I gave them the numbers and web sites to hit.  WE became a very vocal minority on this issue, and that is how politics works.
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« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2004, 03:15:09 PM »
I am sure glad it got defeated. That does not mean it will not come up agian  sometime. Sta aware guys and gals
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