Why would a person try and deny personal rights and expect to keep their own?

[corbanzo]

I see this all the time.  I hang out with gunnies, so of course everybody is crazy about defending the second amendment in our current situation.


But some of these same people are against gay rights, and against religious freedoms - and openly speak about it.


Some "lib" friends of mine post all the gay freedom and women's reproductive freedom stuff all day long - and then condemn the right to own firearms and run corporate business.


Don't people understand that if you fight to condemn a certain right - you are fighting to condemn rights, end of story?  You are making it OK for the government to control the lives of people, giving that power.  Putting it to a vote how people live their lives, making this country socialist.


We are a republic, meant to defend the intrinsic rights of every individual, out constitution guarantees those rights to every individual.  This isn't a place where the vote of the masses decides how "farmer joe" or "business bob" spends his free time.


Rights are not given, the only reason they are in the constitution is to guarantee them.  They are not up for vote.  The only control on rights is to stop a criminal from infringing on the rights of others, not to control society - and that is for a single person doing a single action - never on the total of the people.  The cause of the USA is lost once we start letting others decide how we should live our lives.


Semper Libertas

[coyotejoe]

Every law is a limitation of personal freedom, only jungle animals are totally free. There cannot exist a society where everyone is free to do whatever they like. Laws against homicide limit your right to kill someone you may believe deserves it. Laws are social standards of conduct, varying with different societies. In the U.S. homosexuality was once considered an extreme sexual perversion and was illegal in most places. In much of the world it still is illegal and in my mind it still is perversion, and I personally prefer that it be illegal. You do not have a right to kill and you do not have a right to practice perversion. You do not have a right to practice a religion which espouses stoning women to death for the crime of having been raped and killing all infidels who do not convert. No you won't find me standing up for those supposed "rights", let them do as they please in their own lands but keep their sick so-called religion out of my country. and when they go they are welcome to take all the fags with them.

[corbanzo]

Read the last paragraph again.


The only control on people should be on individuals to stop the infringements of others rights. 


If you think you can tell people how to live their lives, they are going to return the favor.

[Doublebass73]

Excellent post corbanzo. It's common for both the right and the left to complain about the loss of certain rights while actively campaigning to take away the rights of others.

Gay marriage is a perfect example. The Constitution does not give the federal government the power to regulate marriage yet there are many on the right who would love nothing more than to ignore the Constitution and ban gay marriage at the federal level.

On the flipside I have a lesbian libby friend at work who has complained to me many times about the lack of "LGBT rights" and "low paid worker rights" but has no problem with the government violating the 2nd Amendment and taking our guns away. She told me her brother has an AR-15 and that she asked him why he owns one. He told her that it's fun to shoot, etc. She told me that's not a good enough reason and that children are dying, blah blah blah. I told her that shall not be infringed is a good enough reason but she doesn't seem to care about that right.

[tom548]

One of the reasons we loose rights is because most people only care about what affects them or what they believe is right.

[Not the 10th Man]

Well said, Mr. Corbanzo!  I have made the same observations as you, and reached the same conclusions.  Tossed into the mix is also freedom of religion.

I reckon the concept of doing as one will, while doing no harm unto others is just a bit difficult for folks.

[yellowtail3]

I see this all the time.  I hang out with gunnies, so of course everybody is crazy about defending the second amendment in our current situation.
But some of these same people are against gay rights, and against religious freedoms - and openly speak about it.

I'll take a swing at this one.


Most of the folks with the combo mentioned above, aren't thinking things through - that, or they're hobbled by religious convictions which hinder them from thinking things through. And that's strange, since the Golden Rule is part of their religion, but very rarely evident in their dealing with folks not of their tribe.

[kennyd]

I have worked with some of the LGBT community.  One lez at work was a lazy POS, the other I really liked and tried to teach anything I could.  The office supply had a football build "woman"; (s)he gave good service and advice.  I worked with some gays I didn't even know about, but there were a few others, when I was young, who DID try to recruit me.  Except for the recruiters(before I was married), they did not threaten my marriage and I have been happily married for 40 years, it is what I wanted then, and have worked to keep it going ever since.


I do not want to give special status to any of these.  Marriage should be a sacrament of your religion (period.  State recognized unions, common property, and terminal illness rights should be given to whomever the parties agree to, not held to some standard set by uninvolved people.  You can say the same about illegal residents; one on one I get along with most of them I know, and like them.  The problem is when they become special status.  And you cannot solve all the problems in the world by having everyone move to the US.


Not everyone should have a gun, not everyone wants one, I am not making them.  I do not have any AR types, but have shot some, and enjoyed it.  That doesn't mean I never will own one, or think others should not.  Same goes for mag capacity (as a letter in the paper said:  the magazine makers can make their ammunition according to laws)   the long magz being very clumsy in pistols.


The point is I do not "deny" anyones personal rights.  When certain lifestyles affect their work (and my ability to hold up my end) be it drink, sex addiction, or drugs, then they are denying my rights.

[45-70.gov]

eRe: Why would a person try and deny personal rights and exct to keep their own?


because they are hypocrits 


or they just don't beleive in freedom


you  left  out ''THE WAR ON DRUGS''
where americans get their doors kicked in


you beleive in freedom or you don't
it  IS really that simple