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Offline powderman

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Judge approves possible use of 'truth serum' on Colorado massacre suspect  Published March 12, 2013
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  •    Jan. 7, 2013: Defense attorney Daniel King and his team leave district court during a recess in a preliminary hearing for James Holmes at the courthouse in Centennial, Colo. (AP)
  DENVER –  The defendant in the deadly Colorado theater shooting could be given "truth serum" under a court order issued Monday to help determine whether he is insane if he pleads not guilty by reason of insanity.
Suspect James Holmes could be required to submit to a "narcoanalytic interview" as part of an evaluation to determine if he was legally insane at the time of the July 20 shootings, Arpahoe County District Judge William Sylvester said.
A narcoanalylitic interview is a decades-old process in which patients are given drugs to lower their inhibition. Academic studies have shown that the technique has involved the use of sodium amytal and pentothal, sometimes called truth serum.
The prospect of such interviews that may ensue under such a plea alarmed defense attorneys, who filed documents opposing the technique.
 
Holmes, 25, is scheduled to enter a plea Tuesday to multiple counts of murder and attempted murder. He is charged with killing 12 people and injuring 70 at a midnight showing of "The Dark Knight Rises" in the Denver suburb of Aurora.
If Holmes pleads not guilty by reason of insanity, he would be examined by doctors at the state mental hospital.
In an advisory that Holmes would have to sign if he enters an insanity plea, Sylvester didn't specify what type of drugs would be used but said the examination could include "medically appropriate" ones.
 
Sylvester said Holmes also could be given a polygraph examination as part of the evaluation.
After reading a draft of the advisory, Holmes' lawyers objected, saying a narcoanalytic interview and a polygraph would violate their client's rights.
In the final version of the advisory, Sylvester said he had incorporated some suggestions from the defense and the prosecution, but he did not address the defense objections to a narcoanalytic interview and polygraph.
Karen Steinhauser, a former prosecutor who is a law professor at the University of Denver and a defense attorney, said she could not find any case law about use of the narcoanalytic interview.
"It comes up so rarely," she said, adding she knows nothing about it.
She noted the technique is clearly allowed by Colorado law.

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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #1 on: March 12, 2013, 07:56:52 AM »
They just announced his defense was not ready to enter a plea yet, so the judge entered a not guilty plea on his behalf, with the stipulation Holmes could change his plea to "not guilty by reason of insanity" at a later date.

So the defense dodged entering a plea, which they will argue later, and Holmes will not be pharmacologically examined by the head shrinkers......

Damn lawyers.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/12/james-holmes-plea-insanity_n_2858990.html?

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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #2 on: March 12, 2013, 08:22:49 AM »
This could get interesting.
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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2013, 12:55:03 PM »
This is not some kid who is impaired. This is a kid who thought about it, planned it and did it.
He might have mental problems but he knew full well what he was doing.

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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #4 on: March 12, 2013, 01:49:47 PM »
I think sodium pentathol should be used in any murder case especially when the puke won't tell where victim is buried. Put a lotta lawyers outta business tho.
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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #5 on: March 12, 2013, 02:39:35 PM »
I remember having something like that during surgery.  Turned me into a babbling idiot.  My one question is how this squares with the 5th?


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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #6 on: March 12, 2013, 02:50:48 PM »
They ought to calculate the effective dose, then give him 10 times that much. Oh, I guess that part will come AFTER the trial.
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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #7 on: March 12, 2013, 02:55:03 PM »
There's a detective in Illinois that just got sentenced for murdering his 1st wife. They can't find his second wife to charge him. Shoot'm up and find out.
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« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2013, 04:53:01 PM »
I think sodium pentathol should be used in any murder case especially when the puke won't tell where victim is buried. Put a lotta lawyers outta business tho.

 
DEE. Agreed Sir. That would sure save a lot of time and money. No more $ millions spent on either side. Guilty, execute the pukes. Innocent, set em free. POWDERMAN.  >:( >:(
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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2013, 05:42:07 PM »
" yes sir- i gave him this here hypo
of truth stuff- yep it sez c-y-a-n-i-d-e
don't that spell serum?  ooopps! ! !" :o
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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #10 on: March 13, 2013, 12:53:48 AM »
The use in this case has nothing to do with the 5th ammendment. They aren't asking if he is guilty just if he is sane or not. The prosecutor thinks he is faking it.

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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #11 on: March 13, 2013, 03:29:06 AM »
I have never figured out why it matters whether a killer is crazy or not. He killed regardless. If he's dangerous it shouldn't matter.
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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #12 on: March 13, 2013, 04:17:09 AM »
I'm against the use of insanity as an excuse. Of course they're crazy--- they killed someone. What we're left with is the question of how to keep the public safe from the killer...
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Re: Judge says murdering punk in Colo can be given truth serum.
« Reply #13 on: March 13, 2013, 05:23:27 AM »
I've always kind of just figgered anyone who would just go out and kill someone was crazy. Never needed it proven to me. The truth is they killed someone. Hang them.
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