300 blk out as a long term rifle ?

[SHOOTALL]

Many feel the need for a good rifle on hand. It is used for hunting , fun, teaching, in an emergency to gather food and protection. I have been reading about the 300 BO and Whisper. They are almost the same , my dies list both on the die itself. From what I can find J.D. Jones got a copyright on  the name 300 Whisper when he invented it. It was more cost effective at the time and protected his invention. AAC came up with about the same but a tad more throat and got it tested and specs for the round. Some will say it is safe to shoot  the 300 Whisper in the 300 BO chamber but not the reverse .  . My point is they close but different as to who put them on the market.
 Anyway either might be a good long term gun. It will kill deer out to 300 yards if reports are true but in reality most deer are shot at closer range. They use little powder compared to larger rounds and often the same powder can be used for it and handguns , less stock for reloaders. Then there is the super vs. sub sonic application. The gun can be shorter because it is really a no need for a longer bbl. due to light powder charge. Most any 30 cal. bullet from 110 gr to 230 gr can be used . The rounds are small and lots can be toted. Little kick so even in ones later years it would not have too much recoil.
 AR's are all the rage with this cal. but the bolt gun might be a better choice for the long term. No cycle problems with any safe load . Little wear on a bolt gun . No maintenance headaches. Low cost of reloading .
 The family who has a farm , takes what deer they are allowed and a yote or several along with other pest might find a gun like this useful. With a 16 inch bbl. it would travel/slip   nicely also.
 add a suppressor with subsonic loads it would be a pleasure to shoot.   

[Couger]

 
Neither the Whisper or Blackout .300's can match the 7.62X39 in performance.
 
And the 7.62X39 will never equal the .30-30 in perfomance, but to each his own. 

[SHOOTALL]

In reality down range the BC of the Blk Out with some bullets will allow equal or better performance of the 7.62X39. . But with less powder and more aval. bullets. But the thought is not to out preform other rounds but be a good choice long haul. Where rounds and components both may be in short supply or where people who can't deal with recoil may need to shoot the gun.

[geezerbiker]

I thought about getting one but cast bullet loads in my .30-30 will do everything the blackout will do.

Tony

[SHOOTALL]

will they take deer at 250-300 yards ?

[MTNRGR]

I know everyone reloads, but try to find blackout on a store shelf in a pinch, I bet 30-30 and 30-06 will still be there.
 
Especially if you are going to use it as a bug home or out gun.

[SHOOTALL]

That's true but I was thinking long term after all the stores are empty.

[SHOOTALL]

BTW here there is no 30-30 , 30-06 , 22LR, 12 ga or 20 ga.
 If I had powder and primers along with bullets the 300BO uses less powder tan those mentioned  and can use pointed bullets easier that the 30-30.
 

[MTNRGR]

WOW, we have all of that on shelves up here right now, and its NO York.
Makes sense as far as reloading goes though.
 
Guess I should start buying and selling ammo like that masses are....

[MTNRGR]

I think the .22 is the way to go.
Reasons:
1) light ammo and gun
2) rifle and pistol
3) small game
4) deer have been taken with a .22lr so you know what else can
5) if you had say 4000 rounds on hand that is most likely way more than the amount than components most will have on hand to reload in 300bo anyway.
6) .22lr is way more descrete when shot
7) great "slipping" rifle too
 
just my opinion and 2 cents

[MTNRGR]

Though thats probably not what you mean by long term.
So in that case id go with my .308

[SHOOTALL]

If you can reload a 308 you can "re"-load a 300 BO. My personal favorite is a 308 with a 30 carbine adapter Will provide good power on larger critters and the carbine with FMJ bullets will take small game . But if someone was stocked up in advance I don't see the problem . 

[SHOOTALL]

and with dies and file cases can be made from 223 rem cases

[mannyrock]

  You guys keep forgetting one thing.
 
   If something huge happens, that puts the entire country in a "survival" mode, then there are going to be 300 million people, with over 150 million firearms, roaming around and shooting everything in sight.   After 90 days, there are going to be NO deer to shoot.   If you are reduced to shooting deer to eat, then everybody else is too, and they will be cleaned out in very short order.  Heck, they were cleaned out of  the entire state of Tennessee in about 10 years at the beginning of the 1900s, by just the mountain folks and pouchers who lived back then, and they were so scarce that hunting season was closed for decades..  The state were forced to buy two small herds from Alabama, and release them in Hardeman County, and a smaller county about 40 miles north of Memphis, and it took another 20 years before there was a huntable population again.
 
    If you take a look at counties where cwd has been found in deer, and the state game department has ordered every deer in the county to be killed to stop the spread of the outbreak, it's only taken about 30 days for every deer to be killed.   They are flat cleaned out in short order.
 
     The same will hold true for rabbits, squirrels and other edible small game.
 
    So this concept that you will just roam the woods like a mountain man and hunt your food, or stay on your farm and shoot the deer that wander through, is fallacious.     More likely, you will looking for stray cats and dogs to eat.    How's that .300 Blackout on cats at 300 yards?  :-)
 
     Most of the regular hunting cartridges are back on the shelves around here.  The only rounds in zero supply are .22 LR, 9mm, and .308 Winchester.
 
   

[SHOOTALL]

  You guys keep forgetting one thing.
 
   If something huge happens, that puts the entire country in a "survival" mode, then there are going to be 300 million people, with over 150 million firearms, roaming around and shooting everything in sight. Including people so a good 30 cal. rifle might be a good thing to have.  After 90 days, there are going to be NO deer to shoot.Maybe after 2 weeks in many places.   If you are reduced to shooting deer to eat, then everybody else is too, and they will be cleaned out in very short order.Not to mention how much will be wasted.   Heck, they were cleaned out of  the entire state of Tennessee in about 10 years at the beginning of the 1900s, by just the mountain folks and pouchers who lived back then, and they were so scarce that hunting season was closed for decades.. Doubt the masses will last 10 years . The state were forced to buy two small herds from Alabama, and release them in Hardeman County, and a smaller county about 40 miles north of Memphis, and it took another 20 years before there was a huntable population again.Same here in Va. in some counties .
 
    If you take a look at counties where cwd has been found in deer, and the state game department has ordered every deer in the county to be killed to stop the spread of the outbreak, it's only taken about 30 days for every deer to be killed.   They are flat cleaned out in short order.
 
     The same will hold true for rabbits, squirrels and other edible small game.Maybe maybe not they reproduce better than deer so in the long run they may come back quicker, and some smart people will protect them.along with chickens , cows , pigs etc. We don't have to stand by and watch the destruction ?
 
    So this concept that you will just roam the woods like a mountain man and hunt your food, or stay on your farm and shoot the deer that wander through, is fallacious.     More likely, you will looking for stray cats and dogs to eat.    How's that .300 Blackout on cats at 300 yards?  :-)It should be quite good really .
 
     Most of the regular hunting cartridges are back on the shelves around here.  The only rounds in zero supply are .22 LR, 9mm, and .308 Winchester.Still short supply here. The concept I was getting at is how little powder the 300 BO uses and would be good long time for that reason .You can load rounds with 10 gr. of powder vs sat 45 for a 308.  It will kill deer at 300 yards with correct bullet and mine is very accurate with the right ammo. So cats should be no problem. Would use 147 gr FMJ so there would be less damage to meat. BUT IN REALITY HUNT CLOSED USE A CAN AND MAKE NO NOISE TO INVITE OTHERS TO YOUR FEAST 
 
   

[mannyrock]

Shootall,
 
   As always, good replies.  Can't argue with a single word.
 
   Though I had a farm in Tennessee for 14 years, I've retired to the Shenandoah Valley now. 
 
    Best Regards,  Mannyrock

[SHOOTALL]

Well we are in the same state . Will be close today looking at a job up that way . BTW there is a nice Gun Shop in Fishersville