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Cutting subsidies could save $billions.
« on: March 29, 2013, 12:00:24 PM »
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/03/29/what-to-cut-striking-subsidies-could-save-billions/
 
What to Cut: Striking subsidies could save billions  By Doug McKelway
Published March 29, 2013
FoxNews.com   Joe Dutra has defied the trend of American confectioners and candy makers who've moved abroad to escape the U.S. government's regime of sugar subsidies.
After moving his Kimmie Candy Company back to the United States from South Korea, he's now operating a $4 million-$5 million business in Reno, Nev.
But, he said, "when coming back to the United States, I found out that I was paying up to 90 percent more for sugar in the last few years."
 
Sugar is just one commodity whose price is hugely inflated in the United States because of what critics call an outdated system of subsidies and price supports. The subsidies take the form of direct payments to farmers that cost taxpayers billions -- as well as restrictions on imports and how much can be grown, and other regulations that raise prices.
"It's ridiculous," said Sen. Tom Coburn, R-Okla., a frequent critic of subsidies. "We're losing candy manufacturers in America because the price of sugar is four to six times higher here than it is anywhere else in the world."
 
Tom Schatz, president of Citizens Against Government Waste, called it "an old Soviet-style command and control process."
He adds that many domestic manufacturers use different sweeteners in their products to remain competitive in light of sugar's artificially high price. "They contain high-fructose corn syrup or in some cases they contain organic sugar which will raise the price of the product because the sugar program is simply too costly," he said.
 
Subsidies have their roots in the Great Depression, when drought devastated farming. But eight decades later, critics say they are grossly outdated. Government-imposed subsidies raise the price of many commodities.
 
Dairy price supports cost taxpayers $1.1 billion a year. They include a quaint, but expensive, provision dating back to the 1930's called "milk marketing orders," which originally restricted how far milk could be transported from farm to market to prevent spoilage. Today, refrigerated trucking invalidates that concern. "There are fewer milk marketing orders, but they still exist," Schatz said.
 
Another subsidy, on peanuts, costs taxpayers $55 million every year. Peanuts can be grown in a wide range of climates, but the government restricts their planting to a few, mostly southern, states.
"There is no reason why peanuts can't be grown everywhere. It would certainly lower the price to consumers and taxpayers, and yet it's another example of a very small group of farmers having an oversized influence on Congress," Schatz said.
 
Defenders of the subsidies make a strong case for their preservation. "Other governments are subsidizing their farmers at a much greater percentage than our government is, so we feel like, in order for our farmers to be able to compete worldwide, we need to have some government support," said Mary Kay Thatcher, of the American Farm Bureau Federation.
Still, the cost-cutting pressures that pervade Washington nowadays may force changes to the system.
 
"I think when we write that farm bill this year you will see some real changes in the way those subsidies are administered," Thatcher said.
But if such changes occur, they'll have to surmount a formidable obstacle on Capitol Hill. Representatives from any farming region that benefits from one subsidy often vote with members from another region that profits from a different subsidy. Alone, the regional interests carry little power. Together, they wield the kind of influence that has distorted market prices for more than 80 years.
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Re: Cutting subsidies could save $billions.
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2013, 04:57:08 AM »
Subsidies are just another form of socialism. Everyone pays whether or not they use the products/services.  Here in Va. they are cutting the gas tax, but increasing the sales tax.  So everyone has to pay for the roads, whether they use them or not.  Also in Va. Beach, trash collection was part of property tax.  Now we have to pay a fee.  Everyone pays the same fee.  I only put out one garbage can once a month.  Many people put out 2 garbage cans per week.  As a conservative I believe we need to get rid of all subsidies and let the users of the products/services pay for the products/services. You use it, you pay for it.
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Re: Cutting subsidies could save $billions.
« Reply #2 on: April 01, 2013, 03:29:30 AM »
Maybe when you lump subsidies, credits and shelters together, oil companies might be at the top of the list, but how do they rank when those figures are compared to their economic contribution.  And which entity actually makes the most profit from the production and sale of those products.  We've all heard it said that the state and federal government makes more off of oil than the oil companies, so I guess it depends on who is counting.


Sugar and dairy products don't do squat when it comes to filling my gas tanks, so if I get to choose who gets a tax break, or subsidy it's going to be oil over sugar, or milk.


While we're at it, there's one farm subsidy that absolutely should be cut along with the additive to gasoline that it provides and that is ethanol.  Abolish the whole program.
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Re: Cutting subsidies could save $billions.
« Reply #3 on: April 01, 2013, 04:18:49 AM »
Quote from magooch:
"Sugar and dairy products don't do squat when it comes to filling my gas tanks, so if I get to choose who gets a tax break, or subsidy it's going to be oil over sugar, or milk."


Try filling your stomach with oil.
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