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Larry, fluid changes or not
« on: April 29, 2013, 06:26:31 AM »
Change my oil about every 7500 miles using NAPA synthetic.  What else should I change?
Axle, transmission, brake fluid, coolant, power steering.  Are there such thinks as lifetime fluids, per owners manuals?

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Re: Larry, fluid changes or not
« Reply #1 on: April 29, 2013, 08:57:03 AM »
It's going to depend on the car/truck and year model. Generally, the axles and transmissions should be changed every 30,000 miles. Axles especially if they are they traction lock type as the fluids will contain alcohol (friction modifiers) for the clutch packs. Alcohol will absorb moisture out of the air- it's called hygroscopic, and will sludge. If the unit uses the newer DOT 5 brake fluid, it's a silicone fluid and is also hygroscopic. You can mix DOT3 and 4 but not 5. It should be flushed at every brake pad change. Most of the newer cars come from the factory with coolant that should last 5 years. Make sure to use the correct anti-freeze as there are far too many now. DO NOT buy into the "one is good for every car" as they are a compromise. Use the correct speced fluid. Power steering fluids are really more like a hydraulic pump. They really don't get all that hot but hot enough to cook off any moisture. They aren't contaminated with any clutch parts, etc so they don't have to be changed. But I would suggest at around 80-100,000 miles to suck out as much as possible and refill with the correct fluid. That will keep any varnish solvent.
There are no lifetime fluids to serviceable systems. I've seen several lube for life systems that use an oil filter that's about 1 gallon in size. It contains enough additives to last 100,000 miles and is time released into the oil. The filter itself is multi-staged with normal positive filtration and then it also uses something very similar to by-pass filtration. They've all worked per design but I doubt you're going to see it. The base fluids were a proprietary ester that was similar to a thin plastic slime. The cost was fairly prohibitive. Fluid replacement at the recommended 100,000 mile interval would cause a lot of folks to have to go to the bank to change it.

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Re: Larry, fluid changes or not
« Reply #2 on: April 29, 2013, 02:33:32 PM »
Guess I'll have everything changed at my next oil interval.  Teanks for the advice.
 
When I was a young kid 40 years ago, when we changed our antifreeze we had a water pump failure within a week, a hose blew as well.  Belts and hoses lasted about a year it seamed.

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Re: Larry, fluid changes or not
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2013, 02:55:23 AM »
 I've had 2 automatic transmissions start slipping after fluid changes. They were higher mileage gm's,  late 70's models with 350 TurboHydromatics's. After that i kinda swore off changing tranny fluid. I have run a couple trucks into 200k+ with once changed(around 30k) fluid. Transmissions still holding when they were sold. Just personal experience.  j
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Re: Larry, fluid changes or not
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2013, 08:11:53 AM »
Basically JR, you varnished yer way into decent mileage. If you don't change the ATF it will start to degrade and varnish will form at the seals. The varnish is what held yers together. If you change the fluids too late, the new ATF will dissolve the varnish and because the varnish kept the seal swell agents away from the now shrunken seals, you have leaks. It's a case of do it right or don't do it at all. An automatic transmission that hasn't seen a flush/change in 60,000 miles is a great candidate for leaking seals if the fluid is changed. Real world testing of fleet units show that changing the ATF at 30,000 miles will make the transmission last 3.5 times longer averagely.


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Re: Larry, fluid changes or not
« Reply #5 on: May 01, 2013, 12:06:27 PM »
 Wow, now thats good info to have and i'm glad to know it. I kinda figured the clutches were worn and slippery new fluid did em in but i'm glad to know the truth. My intitial fluid change after break in probably let my trannies limp up into the higher mileage they achieved. I'll now make an effort to stay on top of those T fluid changes in my wifes car, my work truck i'm gonna leave alone. To late for it ;D.      thanks Larry, as always, for the reply.  J
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