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Apparently Obama's speech 2 nights ago sparked some sort of change with the US Military policy.
We were just informed by our leaders that we,(soldiers), have to report all privately owned firearms in our possession, whether or not we live on base, or even if they are located in another state. The policy has always been that if you lived on base you had to register your firearms, but if you lived off post in a private residence you didn't have to do anything.
I don't know if this is just specific to soldiers stationed at Fort Drum, NY, or if it is an Army wide or Military policy, we were just notified this morning and not a lot is known at this point.
The bottom line is, we were told to report all firearms that we own to our leadership, who is making a list to send "higher" up.
Everyone is in shock right now..........................IS THIS LEGAL?
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« Reply #1 on: April 09, 2013, 06:07:47 AM »
Probably, the miliary pretty much makes up its own rules and the times they are a changing. When I was stationed in Turkey in 1969-70 I kept my Star .22 pistol in its original box in my wall locker. I don't think it was even legal for me to have that pistol in Turkey but no inspecting officer ever looked at that box, I think they didn't want to know, it was like "don't ask, don't tell".  ;D
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« Reply #2 on: April 09, 2013, 06:37:16 AM »
Apparently Obama's speech 2 nights ago sparked some sort of change with the US Military policy.
We were just informed by our leaders that we,(soldiers), have to report all privately owned firearms in our possession, whether or not we live on base, or even if they are located in another state. The policy has always been that if you lived on base you had to register your firearms, but if you lived off post in a private residence you didn't have to do anything.
I don't know if this is just specific to soldiers stationed at Fort Drum, NY, or if it is an Army wide or Military policy, we were just notified this morning and not a lot is known at this point.
The bottom line is, we were told to report all firearms that we own to our leadership, who is making a list to send "higher" up.
Everyone is in shock right now..........................IS THIS LEGAL?

I know you don't own any.................... they all belong to that little guy in the picture...........
Legal???? You signed away your rights when you joined the military..... I thought everyone knew that..................
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« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2013, 07:04:41 AM »
The last time I visited Canada I was ask how many handguns I owned. I replied I was not bring any into Canada. I was then told if I wanted to enter answer the question. Since My carry permit shows up on my dri lic when checked I replied one. I was then ask why I owned it. I said my job. Then was ask about my job and why it required a handgun. I told them I lived in a city witch was always in the top ten for murder per number of citizens. The questions went on for a while . Had I had any other handguns at the time I would have given them to my wife  ;) .
 My doctor also ask how many guns were in my home ,I ask him how many sex toys were in his . He said point taken.
 I worked on a job near Cheatam Annex Va. one day 20 or more guys showed up looking for work. Seems the military had told them that no one would be discharged for admitting the truth . They were then ask if they ever smoked pot. The ones who lied kept their job.
 
 Don't know if any of that helps just my 2 cent worth.
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« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2013, 07:20:07 AM »
Point taken, I don't own any, I was just asking for a friend. ;) As far as signing my rights away I understand that, but owning a weapon has never once been touched by the military, (as long as you live and posses it off base), until now. Feeling the effects of the magazine restrictions and the ammo shortage is one thing, this is a whole new element of this new gun "control" era that came out of nowhere. Our leaders are even shocked, its creating quite a stir today to say the least.
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« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2013, 08:00:06 AM »
There was a base that tried it some time back.
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« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2013, 03:04:18 PM »
I wonder since its Drum if the great state of New York has requested this.
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« Reply #7 on: April 09, 2013, 04:01:43 PM »
Yeah that's what we are thinking.

Something else that is hopefully just ironic ....about 4 hours after I started this topic on my government computer at work I was notified by the Network Enterprise Center,  (NEC),  that they had identified an issue, remotely, with my laptop and came and picked it up for updates, supposed to have it back by tomorrow ....hopefully just a coincidence, not a big brother thing............if I were to report an issue myself it would take atleast a week to get resolved ....hmmmmm
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« Reply #8 on: April 09, 2013, 04:45:31 PM »
Yeah that's what we are thinking.

Something else that is hopefully just ironic ....about 4 hours after I started this topic on my government computer at work I was notified by the Network Enterprise Center,  (NEC),  that they had identified an issue, remotely, with my laptop and came and picked it up for updates, supposed to have it back by tomorrow ....hopefully just a coincidence, not a big brother thing............if I were to report an issue myself it would take atleast a week to get resolved ....hmmmmm

MTNRGR,

There is no such thing as coincidence with this regime.  Watch your six!!

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« Reply #9 on: April 09, 2013, 05:17:25 PM »
I spent 15 years active duty and have been in I.T. for another 15.

I don't know I believe in coincidence that strong..,
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« Reply #10 on: April 09, 2013, 06:45:18 PM »
Some of the guys here in Arkansas say its been happening on other installations for the last four years or so.
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« Reply #11 on: April 10, 2013, 06:51:42 AM »
ST762, thumper
Roger that watching my 3,9 and 12 too.
Still haven't gotten my computer back. I hope it isnt anything, I'm a nobody can't imagine why I would be targeted,  talk about an eye opener though!!!!
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Re: We (US ARMY) are to report all privately owned weapons....legal?
« Reply #12 on: April 10, 2013, 11:11:18 AM »
MTNRGR, that ain't right.  I realize the military is often their own law, and that soldiers give away certain liberties when they enlist, but that seems a bit much.  It sounds like it's coming from somewhere else.  Sounds like some other entity has found another way to find out who owns what. 
 
I could understand it if you were carrying personal weapons onto military property, or using them in your duties, but just to know how many guns a man owns, just because he's in the military, is an invasion. 
 
BTW, thanks for your service. 

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« Reply #13 on: April 11, 2013, 04:45:00 AM »
Mike,
 I agree, wierd times up here in NY, everyone is really nervous up here both civilians and military. No more going out and plowing through a few boxes of ammo for fun, too noisy don't want to draw attention to yourself, sucks.
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« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2013, 06:15:14 AM »
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 My doctor also ask how many guns were in my home ,I ask him how many sex toys were in his .

That is going into the memory bank!
I'm going to a new doctor in a couple weeks because my company didn't like what my doc told them about my injury.
So they want me to see their doc.
Can't wait to use that line!!!

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« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2013, 10:06:51 AM »
Suffice to say "IT" aint your Daddy"s army.
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« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2013, 11:01:59 AM »
If it was me and I didn't live on base and was asked how many I owned I would tell them none.
They all belong to family or friends but none are mine.
 
Or give the standard answer from the MARINE CORPS.
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THERE ARE MANY LIKE IT BUT THIS ONE IS MINE!
 
 
 

 
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« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2013, 03:44:12 PM »
As a retired E9 something I learned early on in the military is to ask for the instruction that requires me or my people to do anything.  The military lives by instruction.  If they can't produce an instruction then ask who is requiring the information.  You have this right.  Contrary to what is said on here you lose no rights joining the military.

If you start asking and go talk to your base legal officer it is sometimes surprising how quick something like this goes away and suddenly nobody knows who initiated it!!!

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« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2013, 03:56:15 PM »
As a retired E9 something I learned early on in the military is to ask for the instruction that requires me or my people to do anything.  The military lives by instruction.  If they can't produce an instruction then ask who is requiring the information.  You have this right.  Contrary to what is said on here you lose no rights joining the military.

If you start asking and go talk to your base legal officer it is sometimes surprising how quick something like this goes away and suddenly nobody knows who initiated it!!!

Good post! Interesting to see where this goes.
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« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2013, 05:36:12 PM »
Love the sex toy response. I'll try to keep that in my back pocket too.
Good luck with this issue. It does seem to me there should be a legal authority somewhere who could speak the the legality of this issue.


I'm getting really concerned after hearing a news item in California where there is a squad? of police who go to people's houses who aren't supposed to have guns and talk folks out of them.  Like if a felon is living in a house where there are guns. Didn't hear the whole thing but it sounds like they often operated without warrants etc. And they talked about going to houses in the evening - seems awful creepy to me and that a more clear process should be used.



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« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2013, 06:22:58 AM »
Yeah I thought about going the legal route, but I don't want to draw to much attention to myself.
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« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2013, 08:12:33 AM »
While in Nursing School I was very stressed and my primary care physician and I decided I should go on an anti depressant. One of the side effects can be suicidal ideation. When doing the standard assessment she asked "do you own firearms or have access to narcotics". She snorted and said ' hmm let me see, you are a shooter and a Student Nurse. Yep you do. Next question".  Fortunately my relationship with my Doc was one of openness and honesty. We trusted each other. Funny how trust is so rare. Not funny, sad.
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« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2013, 11:57:32 AM »
Do like the 1 million residents of California who owned AR type rifles did when they passed the law regarding registration.  They all replied "who me?  I don't own no steekin AR rifle."

In California, only 27,000 registered their AR type rifles, the rest "don't exist".  It is the largest act of civil disobedience yet.  Actually, the AR type rifles aren't illegal in California, their just undocumented rifles. 

In NYS, "Il Duce Cuomo" will have a hard time enforcing the states' AR registration part of the gun registration law.  This act may lead to civil disobedience which may even surpass California's non registration, as the largest act of civil disobedience yet.

 New York Gun Owners Flip the Bird to "Assault Weapons" Registration Law J.D. Tuccille|Jan. 25, 2013 6:14 pm
    New York Governor Cuomo the Junior may have rushed through his new gun control law with such speed that police will avoid its restrictions only through the blessed miracle of selective enforcement, but he may have a little trouble getting the state's firearms owners to attend his party. The new law requires owners of those scary-looking rifles known as "assault weapons" to register their property (amidst assurances that, oh no, the registration lists will never be used for confiscation), but gun rights activists are actively urging gun owners to defy the new mandate.
According to Frederic Dicker at the New York Post:
 
Assault-rifle owners statewide are organizing a mass boycott of Gov. Cuomo’s new law mandating they register their weapons, daring officials to “come and take it away,” The Post has learned.
Gun-range owners and gun-rights advocates are encouraging hundreds of thousands of owners to defy the law, saying it’d be the largest act of civil disobedience in state history.
“I’ve heard from hundreds of people that they’re prepared to defy the law, and that number will be magnified by the thousands, by the tens of thousands, when the registration deadline comes,’’ said Brian Olesen, president of the American Shooters Supply, one of the largest gun dealers in the state.
 
Dicker quotes a Cuomo administration official admitting, "Many of these assault-rifle owners aren’t going to register; we realize that." Which means that state officials were merely posturing rather than entirely ignorant of history when they penned the law and jammed it through. As I've written before, gun laws traditionally breed massive levels of non-compliance — even in places where you might think people have no strong history of personal arms, or of resistance to the state, When Germany imposed gun registration in 1972, the country's officials managed to get paperwork on all of 3.2 million firearms out of an estimated 17-20 million guns in civilian hands. Californians may have registered as many as ten percent of the "assault weapons" they owned when that state imposed registration in 1990 (though the New York Times put the figure rather lower, at about 7,000 out of an estimated 300,000 guns covered by the law).
The reason for such reticence isn't hard to fathom. When gun owners charge that politicians can't be trusted to resist using registration lists for future confiscation, they're not being paranoid — New York City and California have both done just that.
Political officials might want to consider those experiences, as well as a recent poll finding two-thirds of Americans willing to defy tighter gun restrictions, before setting themselves up for public demonstrations of their impotence in the face of mass defiance.
   

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« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2013, 12:02:14 PM »
 
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Actually, the AR type rifles aren't illegal in California, their just undocumented rifles. 


I'm telling ya, we need to start writing for Jay leno. Maybe they wouln't run him off!  :D
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« Reply #24 on: May 04, 2013, 10:17:14 AM »
As a retired E9 something I learned early on in the military is to ask for the instruction that requires me or my people to do anything.  The military lives by instruction.  If they can't produce an instruction then ask who is requiring the information.  You have this right.  Contrary to what is said on here you lose no rights joining the military.

If you start asking and go talk to your base legal officer it is sometimes surprising how quick something like this goes away and suddenly nobody knows who initiated it!!!

As a recently (as in April) retired Command Master Chief, I agree with SBURD, check with your chain of command IRT the instruction and if they don't know, zip over to base legal.
Your computer service at work must be different than mine was we haven't been allowed to hit personal forums, web based email accounts etc for a long while. We had to sign annual computer usage statements acknowledging we knew the rules.  I've seen careers ended IRT computer use violations.
 
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« Reply #25 on: May 04, 2013, 10:58:02 AM »
Do like the 1 million residents of California who owned AR type rifles did when they passed the law regarding registration.  They all replied "who me?  I don't own no steekin AR rifle."

In California, only 27,000 registered their AR type rifles, the rest "don't exist".  It is the largest act of civil disobedience yet.  Actually, the AR type rifles aren't illegal in California, their just undocumented rifles. 

And many were not doing a civil disobediance they were simply confussed.  They thought the rifle was registerd to them when they paid the $20 for the back ground check and did not pay the additional $20 for the assault registration. 
Actually the Assault rifle was defined by make and model as well as features.
So while I have two registered Assault rifles, I can own other ARs legally in the sate.  The have to have a "bullet button" style magazine release.  You need ot have a tool to take out the magazine and not jut press a button.  and only 10 round or less mags are suposre to be used in them, while you can own pre ban mags.  Another  way to own an AR is to have a Monster man or Fish belly stock that is not a pistol grip and then you can have the standard mag release. 
My assault rifle before being registered I can now take them from solid stocks to collapsable stocks and from muzzle breaks to flash hiders nad mount a bayonette.  Something I was not able to do before the registration.  And I cna keep the 20 round or more mags for it.
The final thing I can do is buy a standard lower, and keep the regular mag release in it and put a dedicated rimfire upper on the gun.  A second rilfe in 223 with the bullet button and it is presto chango uppers and the bullet button is no longer.   But agian the mag is limited ot 10 rounds.
Now the strange thing about CA is, if you only own a post registration AR then you can not have mags that are more then 10 rounds,  If you are planning on biulding a pistol caliber upper and start with a 12 or 14" and are going to perminatly mount a flash hider on it it you are caught with a short upper and a lower that is not a pistol loawer (no longer allowed) you are going to jail and they are going to take all your guns and you get to be a guest in the grey bar hotel.

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« Reply #26 on: May 04, 2013, 11:00:58 AM »
"Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep"

Yeah like Obama has any influence over the military. They like him so much that they don't even allow the "armed guards" in the room he's in to have bolts in their AR's.
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« Reply #27 on: May 04, 2013, 01:35:28 PM »
The FY 2011 Defense Authorization Act had a clause that prevented off post firearm ownership for military personnel or their dependents living with them and was initiated based on abuses from several posts - Fort Riley, KS was one IIRC. 

Under the current FY 2013 act, Section 1057, Rule of construction relating to prohibition on infringing on the individual right to lawfully acquire, possess, own, carry, and otherwise use privately owned firearms, ammunition, and other weapons, was amended to allow medical personnel and commanders to ask "if such health professional or such commanding officer has reasonable grounds to believe such member is at risk for suicide or causing harm to others." 

This clarification/addition was added after claims by senior AD and retired generals that being able to ask about firearms was essential to prevent suicides (note that after the Army-wide mandatory suicide stand-down training in SEP 12, about double the number of suicides were reported for OCT). 

Perhaps it is noteworthy that in JUL 11 the DOD issued a memorandum stating that the 2011 restrictions did not affect medical care providers from asking the question in the context of suicide or violence to others.

If JAG can't clarify the legality of the order which seems contrary to the current defense authorization act, your congressional representative most likely can.

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« Reply #28 on: May 04, 2013, 05:30:27 PM »
"Paranoia strikes deep, into your life it will creep"


oh yes it will.


an jus kuz ya iz parynoid don meen dey aint outta gitcha
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Luke 22:36-38

Honor the American Soldier and Sailor, the source of Our Freedom

Really, it only hurts when I breath - SharonAnne

An armed society is a polite society - Robert Heinlein

THE TREE OF LIBERTY MUST BE REFRESHED FROM TIME TO TIME WITH THE BLOOD OF PATRIOTS AND TYRANTS - Thomas Jefferson