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Offline tiktock

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Best option for boring/drilling 1" bore on. 10x24" lathe?
« on: May 08, 2013, 05:18:05 AM »
Hello,
I have a Logan 820 lathe and I've been making small cannons, all with .50 bores as I have a nice long morose taper drillbit and can just drill in one pass.  I have a steady rest to support the piece.

I've recently acquired two sections of 3"x12" round 1018 steel and wanted to step things up a bit to a 1" bore since I can maintain 1:1 bore to wall thickness with 3" stock.

I have a few boring bars for the lathe but since I'm expecting to put somewhere around a 9" deep bore into the 3" stock, I'm not sure the best way to go about this.

Cost of a decent 1" drillbit of the right length seems too high for me right now....they seem over $100 just for the bit.

What tools are others using for a job like this?  Is finding a huge boring bar the way to go?  Bite the bullet and just buy a drillbit?  Are there more cost effective and creative ways to do this? 

Thanks so much!
-Dave

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Re: Best option for boring/drilling 1" bore on. 10x24" lathe?
« Reply #1 on: May 08, 2013, 07:19:53 AM »
How about a regular 1" drill bit and an extension?  You'd have to clear it a lot more or grind it so the flutes extend past the rear end, but it should be cheaper.


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Re: Best option for boring/drilling 1" bore on. 10x24" lathe?
« Reply #2 on: May 08, 2013, 07:56:00 AM »
Look on evilbay I picked up a 18" gundrill for under 20 bucks just need to be patient...
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Re: Best option for boring/drilling 1" bore on. 10x24" lathe?
« Reply #3 on: May 08, 2013, 10:12:24 AM »
You could use a 1" Silver and Deming drill with an extension.  Making the extension would be a challenge as you would want something with a substantial shaft and holding that becomes a problem.  In a similar circumstance, I bought a Morse taper socket that would hold a Morse taper sleeve that fit the tailstock.  I used the socket to hold the sleeve and drilled/bored the sleeve to fit the shaft and soft soldered the shaft and sleeve together.  The large joint has not yet failed and would be easy to repair if it did.

Even with a good holding method, the Silver and Deming drill has a 1/2" shank and should not be worked too hard.  Use short drill cycles and remove chips frequently.  You will probably spend more time removing and inserting the drill than drilling but we have to compromise when using small machines for big projects.

How deep a hole do you want to drill?
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Re: Best option for boring/drilling 1" bore on. 10x24" lathe?
« Reply #4 on: May 08, 2013, 10:25:43 AM »
I have done this with my bit shorter 12 x 20.  The issue is twofold when drilling deep holes, Chip clearing, and access to the depth.


The last three I've done were in SS, which is a real bear compared to 1018, but I would follow as I've already done given that material. Start with a 1/2 D hole drill about 1-2" deep, for ease of starting the next size bit 5/8 bore a pocket 1/4 deep that size, that way the 5/8 will start on center, no go almost as deep as the 1/2 bit, but not all the way, as you want to keet a good pilot hole for the 1/2 to follow, now back to the 1/2 drill and another 2 ".


Why this way, CHIPS, that 1/2 drill will produce almost twice the chip as the 5/8 next step drill, and the 5/8 has lots more room for chips. That 1/2 will need to be cleared less often  since the chips dump into the 5/8 bore, rather then jam the flutes in the deeply buried 1/2 drill. continue down the bore 1-2' then step to 5/8. Ebay has both 1/2 and 5/8 long drill, be sure to buy as much flute length as you can. There are Carbide long drills on ebay, pricey, I have 5/8 15" long just for the cannon barrels as I recall around $80


All the drilling I do for this job is with MT2 taper shank drills, ebay is the source for all the drills like this. There is a drill called a core drill, it looks like a reamer, it has no point and in 1" size has 4 flutes MT3 shank. These things are GREAT,  the chips shoot out the top of this in the form of a straight ribbon, and fast, The flutes for a 1" are about 7" long, I ground down an MT extension so I can drill 11 1/2" deep. I recently bought a NOS 15/16 core drill for $30 buck on ebay. If you don't have a MT3 in the tailstock, carbide will easily turn down the shank its hardened but not that hard.


If you need it I will grind an MT2 on a drill for you.


When stepping from the 5/8 to 1" I bore a pilot same as the step from 1/2. Your issue if trying to bore a hole that deep is tool flex, in a 1/2 hole a insert type BB would be 1/4 shank, even at a 5/8 bore a 1/2" bar only can take you 3" deep

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Re: Best option for boring/drilling 1" bore on. 10x24" lathe?
« Reply #5 on: May 08, 2013, 11:06:17 AM »
Have thought about making a drill bit yourself?
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Re: Best option for boring/drilling 1" bore on. 10x24" lathe?
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2013, 02:13:42 PM »
Great advice so far, but drill a pilot hole and open the bore to 1" for a couple of inches with a boring bar to aid in starting straight, and if drilling in brass remember to put zero rake on the drill cutting edges.

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Re: Best option for boring/drilling 1" bore on. 10x24" lathe?
« Reply #7 on: May 11, 2013, 05:18:45 AM »
Thanks everyone!


I decided to go with .75 as I found a 9" long .75 morse taper drill in my collection.  I piloted with a .50 drill and opened it up to .75.  Worked like a charm and didnt cost me a thing!


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