The Definitive JFK Assassination Film....Dark Legacy

[TM7]

Things that make you go mmmmmm....and facts you might never had heard of.  And Who's who in the cast of characters...fyi...TM7
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 A thorough, documented, criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy. You must see it to believe that former president George Herbert Walker Bush was connected to the assassination of JFK. Once you see this documentary though there should be no doubt in your mind that it’s true. The evidence is overwhelming and as the author of this documentary, John Hankey says, “If we could present this evidence to a jury in Texas, he would pay with his life”. Did you know that Daddy Prescott Bush was Hitler’s chief banker in the U.S. before 1942? Did you know that George H.W. Bush was in the CIA and in Dallas when Kennedy was killed? This video explores the many connections between George Bush and the Kennedy Assassination and makes a very convincing argument that he was the operational leader of the most important coup in American history.

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[JonnyReb]

 My brother in law just watched this movie on netflix. He was telling me of it and I already had some idea of what it was about from this post so I came across as knowledgeable. I'd also heard heard of some of these allegations back 10 years or so ago. We discussed bits and pieces linking Bush and Kennedy while he flicked through netflix to show me the movie"dark legacy". I ask him to find the movie "obama2016" instead and he went looking for it, only to find that it was "not accessable". What's up with that? Was gonna get netflix but not now.

 So far as bush being involved, well I'm sure of that. J

[Hairy Chest]

The claim that the Bush family was integral to the rise of Hitler is another myth. Kevin Phillips–no admirer of the Bush dynasty–examines the actual circumstances surrounding the Bush-Hitler scenario in his book, American Dynasty: Aristocracy, Fortune and the Politics of Deceit in the House of Bush and puts the facts in proper perspective.

[Swampman]

A thorough, documented, criminal indictment of George Herbert Walker Bush, establishing beyond a reasonable doubt his guilt as a supervisor in the conspiracy to assassinate John F. Kennedy.

Well at least he did something good.

[Swampman]

I don't see getting rid of JFK as a bad thing.

[gstewart44]

C'mon - If GHWB were so smart and deeply involved in the CIA to arrange the assassination of JFK,  they surely would be smart enough to think of the aftermath of having LBJ sitting in the White House - what did that do to the country?   The Vietnam debacle and the origin of cancerous social programs called entitlements......
 
Nah I dont' believe it.

[garbhead]

The LBJ part of this is the most believable....JFK was in process of ending US involvement in Vietnam, and Johnson was in the pocket of military industrial complex...and was in favor of getting involved big-time , which he did, the day after JFK funeral.

[us920669]

As I recall, Viet Nam was not a sure thing in '63, and it wasn't universally popular in the Pentagon.  Diem got whacked just weeks before Kennedy, which didn't look too good, since his own generals did it.  We weren't really locked in till April '65, when the first conscript soldiers arrived.  There was a book called "Dereliction of Duty", came out a long time ago, tells how hard Johnson had to work to find a High Command that would support him on it.
Frankly, I see LBJ as the wheelman on the Kennedy assassination, and I don't mean a getaway driver.  I only recently learned that one of Bobby's organized crime task forces was working on Dallas.  The case was already entering the courts, and Jack Ruby's name would have come up.  After nailing the gamblers they were going after the corrupt officials who protected them, and they were Johnson's people right down the line.  This, on top of the Billy Sol Estes mess, would have been the end of the line for Johnson, both as VP and as a national figure.
I haven't finished the film yet - very interesting but as was pointed out,  they do a fast shuffle on Bush's old man.  Lots of people did business with Germany before the war, and he was a real play-it-safe kind of guy.  The mafia bosses who actually did the JFK job went to great lengths to incriminate just about everyone else under the sun, since that was the only way they could get away with it.

[Oldshooter]

The situation did not improve. In September of 1963, President Kennedy declared in an interview, "In the final analysis, it is their war. They are the ones who have to win it or lose it. We can help them, we can give them equipment, we can send our men out there as advisers, but they have to win it, the people of Vietnam, against the Communists. . . . But I don't agree with those who say we should withdraw. That would be a great mistake. . . . [The United States] made this effort to defend Europe. Now Europe is quite secure. We also have to participate—we may not like it—in the defense of Asia."

JFK was not opposed to the war in vietnam according to the JFK LIbrary.
 
http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-in-History/Vietnam.aspx
 
I have always believed johnson was behind(was involved in) the assasination. Did then Do now.

[Oldshooter]

It is like the assassination. We may not ever know who dun it........for sure.

[us920669]

Well we all agree about that.  A big part of the tragedy of the Kennedy assassination is that we are free to believe just about anything we want to.  I finished the film and then I went back and looked at it again, and I think it's a pretty slender reed.
First you sit through a nauseating dose of 70's political angst - Why can't we be friends? - make me want to puke, and is the reason some of us today think Kennedy's death was a good. thing.  Then the film brings up Hoover as a source.  I think Hoover was a co-mastermind with Johnson.  They were neighbors and they walked their dogs together in Rock Creek Park.  Cute.  I wonder what they talked about.  Then we hear about Prescott Bush the Nazi, a story that has been debunked by reputable investigators, and then it's Bones, another dead end.  The film states that we entered WW II in 1942 and there are a few other factual clinkers.  I kept waiting for the "Definitive Proof", but it's just not there.  They guy actually uses the word "circumstantial"  over and over.  I'm not denying that Bush probably was CIA, but that covers a lot of ground.  You could stitch together a story like that on a lot of people who were involved in national security issues at the time.
A while back I recommended a book called "Ultimate Sacrifice", which wasn't received too well by some people here on the site, but if you want to know about the cover-up, why the whole government closed ranks and to this day keeps up the ridiculous "official version", the book has it all.  Now, it's not perfect - as much as anything it's all about protecting the Kennedy brand, because JFK was putting together a Nixon-grade dirty trick on Castro - too bad it didn't work.  It's also way too long, but if you are serious about getting to the bottom of the cover-up, plump up your seat cushions, buy a brighter light bulb and start checking the used book sites now.

[Oldshooter]

"Ultimate Sacrifice" will have to get that.
 
Did a search and found that CIA and Kennedy papers will be released in 2017. Do ya think they will be of any help?
 
 

[us920669]

Maybe, maybe not.  I keep thinking some day they will have to set the record straight, but now they're telling the school kids that Oswald did it all by himself.  Some years ago practically everybody thought the story was fishy, but now it seems like people who doubt it are rarer and rarer.  Maybe I'll write my own book.  I'm sure the world will line up and say "Yeah!  This is it".  Ha!

[us920669]

From the top:  I like some hippy era music - you should see my record cabinet - but I don't like left wing propagandists using the art form to manipulate people emotionally for the sake of their agenda.  In Kennedy's day, far left meant being honestly pro-communist, and Kennedy proved more than once that he had what it takes to stand up for the free world.
Warburg was not mentioned in the film, but he was a German, and I though his worst offense was backing Germany during the WW I era.  Wilson won the 1916 election advocating "strict neutrality" (his words).  Grandpa Bush, and Allen Dulles, who also gets an arm band in the film, worked for Allied intelligence during the war, and their familiarity with Germany was probably a big asset.  My "research" into Bones consists of absorbing what tidbits have been offered in the mainstream media over the decades, which no doubt leaves a lot out.  If I had gone to Yale I certainly would not have been tapped for Bones.  Most societies have prominent families, who tend to stick together and are often despised by reformers.  Nothing new there.  I think the US actually has a pretty open oligarchy - new people are taken in and deadbeat sons may keep the wealth but face stiff competition for the power.
As for fascism - well, sad to say, about 98% of the world is technically fascist today.  It seems to be what people want.  Every president since Roosevelt had contributed, including Kennedy (wiretapping the steel execs, employing extra-legal measures against the mafia, etc.).  By that definition, the biggest one yet is Obama (GM takeover, muttering about how he will act is congress doesn't, much more) but our politically-illiterate society will never accept that.
I am aware the circumstantial evidence has sent many to the chair, and it's a disgrace, not a rationalization.


We are talking here about the Kennedy assassination, one of the most damaging events in our history.  It fueled the youth rebellion, which spun horribly out of control, and put the (I'll be polite ) imbecilic Johnson in the White House.  As I said earlier, the sad state of the investigation means you can pretty much believe whatever you want to, but I think that if we respect Kennedy, we ought to try to get to the truth.  The man promised definitive proof but he didn't provide it.     

[us920669]

TM 7, the man has every right to make whatever video he wants, and I think we have every right to pick it apart as mercilessly as we want.  The production values are actually not too bad, but the content is fair game.  I am concerned that someone with relatively little knowledge will see it and come away with some very bizarre ideas.  I think you have studied the Kennedy assassination through a number of lenses, and you are probably aware that people who praise JFK have stated that he himself ordered the agents off the bumpers at the time of the Tampa motorcade.  It also seems to be generally accepted that de Mohrenschildt did not put Oswald in the book building.  He had already left Dallas for as assignment dealing with petroleum in the Caribbean.  That would have fit the film very well, but Dark Legacy had already put him in a white hat, so it wouldn't do to have him hobnobbing with the monsters.  Little fast shuffles like that compromise the integrity of the entire work.
I have not studied Bones all that much.  I am aware that it has been a feed source for intelligence czars.  I just don't think that a large number of people from that stratum would support the assassination of a US president.  For that matter, if the establishment really wanted to get rid of him, all they had to do was see that he lost the 1964 election.  He was vulnerable because of his girlfriends, and his father was pretty much on the same page as Prescott Bush just before the war - loyal to the US, but convinced that Germany would win a war.   
Maybe my judgement is flawed from growing up in the Washington area, although I don't think so.  We had a family friend who was an army general - an entirely decent and honorable man.  I actually knew a CIA super-grade - dated his daughter, had dinner with the family.  He was horrified by what happened.  He wasn't Yale, he was Harvard, and I think a moderate liberal, not at all unusual for that type.
Anyone who wants to come to grips with the Kennedy Assassination has to read at least a dozen books, ideally far more.  I've already boosted Ultimate Sacrifice, and I'm not making money off it.  Dr. John Newman, a veteran of army intelligence, wrote Oswald and the CIA, a very dense and complex book, proving, among many things, that the FBI was the odd man out of Oswald, but that CIA had all kinds of files on him, very tightly held.  Dark Legacy takes exactly the opposite tack, based on nothing.  People like Newman have spent enormous amounts of time and effort on their work, and it's frustrating to see it obscured by what I see as the video equivalent of a throw-away paperback.

[us920669]

Well, I'm on a roll, can't stop yakking about this stuff.  Please bear with me, it is relevant to the post.
Talking about Kennedy assassination books, let me recommend one to TM7 - I have a feeling you already read it - "The Zenith Secret" by Bradly Ayers.  I have nothing but respect for Ayers - he was a soldier who completed just about every advanced infantry school the army offered.  In 1963 he was training anti-Castro fighters at a CIA facility in Florida.  By his account, he was once prowling around a Cuban beach with a .45 on his hip trying to rescue one of his teams.  Unfortunately, the book goes completely off the rails about 1/3 of the way, because Brad went completely off the rails after Dallas.  He became convinced his associates had done the deed.  He's entitled to his opinions, but as an officer with a top secret clearance, he had certain responsibilities, which he completely chucked.  He left the service and started hanging around secret sites, using his old cover identity, etc.  Poor form, old boy.  I bet he really was subjected to all kinds of government harassment - he seemed to be begging for it.  Note that he wasn't "disappeared".  He might have punted his career to go down as the man who broke the case.  It's still a fun book to read, if you can accept it for what it is.
Now, I know everyone's sick of me tooting the horn for "Ultimate Sacrifice", but the thing is, Ayers' book, and so many other Kennedy assassination books, are full of little details and anecdotes that don't mean much at the time, but after Ultimate Sacrifice, they all fall into place.  Newman, mentioned in the previous post, almost figured it out in his book, but he didn't know the big story.   Kennedy was planning a coup in Cuba, run by the Pentagon, not the CIA, and just about the entire national security world was involved, although only a very few knew the whole story.  They had lined up a top Cuban official to take over - maybe not everything we wanted, but at least he wouldn't side with the Russians.  This would certainly explain why, as Dark Legacy points out, CIA established a floating safe house in the Caribbean under Zapata Petroleum cover.
Anyway, back to Ayers during his guerrilla training days, a part of the book I found completely plausible.  He wrote that from time to time Washington would send someone down to sniff around and see how the training was going.  He called them awkward men in neckties and street shoes, usually with no paramilitary experience.  I wonder if GHW Bush might have been one of them.  If so, it says a lot about his real place in the pecking order back then - an errand boy.         

[us920669]

My understanding of Northwoods is that when Lemnitzer submitted it to Kennedy, the fine print specified phony casualty lists, mannequins in the water, etc.  Maybe I fell for a cover story, it wouldn't be the first time.  When JFK took office, Lemnitzer and others thought the way to deal with Russia was not to charge all over the world putting out brush fires, but to confront Russia in Europe.  I am not qualified to participate in the debate, but as a citizen, my feeling is that with the perfection of the ICBM, it would be wise to seek another way.  Maxwell Taylor agreed, and Kennedy elevated Maxwell Taylor to JCS Chair. Taylor was a Vietnam booster long after Kennedy's death and also up to his eyeballs in the Cuba coup plan.  As for Kennedy's epiphany, I never heard about it and think it would run against his nature.
I don't think the plotters would have let Oswald anywhere near a gun, except to buy one (actually two) with a paper trail, not easy to do back then, and pose for the picture.  I think he was a key US intelligence agent, entering that realm when the KGB (or Red Army Intelligence) tried to recruit the young marine at the U2 base in Japan.  Marine G2 kicked the case upstairs to ONI, and given the incredible sensitivity of the U2, CIA claimed him.  I think he had a role to play in the Cuba coup, possibly a big one.  I have no proof of this, but that's what I think.  Newman's book suggests that CIA was trying to get him into Cuba via Mexico when he blundered into another Cold War intelligence operation, whose operators had no inkling of the Cuba coup, and this led to the Chinese fire drill in Mexico City.
I have no faith in the official story, and the autopsy is a good place to start deconstructing it.  One Douglas Horne has written a book (actually five volumes) about his time with the Assassination Records Review Board, Clinton's contribution to assassination research.  It looks good at first, but drill down and you see Clinton fixed it so it will be harder than ever to get to the truth.  I sprang for Horne's Vol. 1 and it's got lots of stuff on the medical evidence, like the forged X Rays.  Experts say so, I'm no expert but I have seen a few X Rays and I can see it.  I think a tribesman from Borneo who has never seen an X Ray could see it.  You can buy Horne's books, but they are very expensive and you gotta get all five.  I think he is compensating for the fact that he took a 40% pay cut to join the ARRB.
Shadow government?  I dunno, I call it the Blob - I saw that somewhere else.  It's hard to say where it begins or ends - it just blobs its way along, if it bumps into something it just absorbs it.  It's not just Wall Street, but also Big Media, Big Academia, the foundations - you get the picture.  Thing is, Blob people idolized Kennedy.  They may have felt a need to correct him from time to time, but they have ways to do that short of blowing his head off.  I know about the disarmament speech, but presidents say all sorts of things, usually for reasons of their own.  Again, the only people truly terrified of Kennedy were in the Mafia, and I don't think even they would have dared do it without at least a green light, probably orders, from heir apparent Johnson and security chief Hoover.  Neither was included in Cuba coup planning, both must have found out that something big was going on, which could mean only one thing - they would soon be ex-public officials.       

[us920669]

Well, he sure did inspire people.  Of course, there was a lot of low hanging fruit for a reformer.  We rug rats were pretty well sheltered, but there was some real ugliness in the 50's - nasty bigotry and anti-semitism, not closely held but publicly expressed.  Radioactive fallout from open air testing was something a lot of presidents might have been willing to address, and some areas of the country were experiencing gangland violence on a scale that boggles the mind.  Check out the Dallas Gambling Wars of the late 40's and early 50's.  Truly, I think a lot of his stuff was BS.  He had a lot of experience with BS, used it to pick up chicks.
I don't share your appraisal of his character and morality, and I don't think he took religion very seriously.  Would he have dropped Vietnam?  Hard to say, but I think he had a real thing about being a "quitter".  For some reason, I still like the guy.  Johnson was a total disaster, and the assassination and cover up threw an entire generation into a nihilistic funk which is still hurting the country.
I haven't mentioned it yet, but you're right about him not being the Federal Reserve's favorite wet dream.  People from that culture really get psyched over the idea that a fractional reserve, inflationary monetary policy will bring endless abundance for all mankind.  But I just keep coming back to the notion that establishment types don't solve problems by calling in a hit man.  Overseas maybe, in an extreme case, but the Prince of Camelot?   

[us920669]

All we ever get is a brief glimpse of what is really going on, and even then we probably don't recognize it for what it is.  Don't be too sure the Dark Legacy types weren't quietly taken down in the years following the assassination.  Johnson took himself out of the running for president.  Hoover held on until he was carried out feet first, but he had so much dirt on everyone that he probably was untouchable.  We got RICO, just what the doctor ordered for the mob, although I think it was the beginning of our departure from the rule of law, which is quite troubling.  The Mafia, so adept at keeping a low profile during the 50's and 60's, started turning up in books and movies, and even lightweight TV shows like The Rockford Files.  It was probably featured in a few sitcoms, although I can't recall any.  Of course, the old Sicilian Mafia was already in sunset mode, scrambling for city trash contracts and so forth.  The real action was south of the border, with the drug cartels.  The mainstream establishment had the juice in this country, and they were not amused by events in Dallas.
The assassination was hushed up to protect the Cuba coup (jump off was set for December 1, 1963).  Early expose could have brought on World War III, and even Bobby Kennedy was willing to bite the bullet to avoid it.

[us920669]

All we ever get is a brief glimpse of what is really going on, and even then we probably don't recognize it for what it is.  Don't be too sure the Dark Legacy types weren't quietly taken down in the years following the assassination.  Johnson took himself out of the running for president.  Hoover held on until he was carried out feet first, but he had so much dirt on everyone that he probably was untouchable.  We got RICO, just what the doctor ordered for the mob, although I think it was the beginning of our departure from the rule of law, which is quite troubling.  The Mafia, so adept at keeping a low profile during the 50's and 60's, started turning up in books and movies, and even lightweight TV shows like The Rockford Files.  It was probably featured in a few sitcoms, although I can't recall any.  Of course, the old Sicilian Mafia was already in sunset mode, scrambling for city trash contracts and so forth.  The real action was south of the border, with the drug cartels.  The mainstream establishment had the juice in this country, and they were not amused by events in Dallas.
The assassination was hushed up to protect the Cuba coup (jump off was set for December 1, 1963).  Early expose could have brought on World War III, and even Bobby Kennedy was willing to bite the bullet to avoid it.  Or so I believe, anyway.  You can believe anything you want to.  Oops, I made a mistake, I quoted myself!  Funny

[us920669]

I have seen it, possibly from you.  Thanks.  I'm watching it again in stages.  So far I see a tired old groupie who may or may not remember things too good.  I might start a new one about all this, but after the weekend  - church stuff has got me running.

[briarpatch]

I saw it quite differant. She has a good mind and was in the know.
The guy that was doing the interview was no professional but he had all the right names and together they laid out a good case for what she said as being true.
What happed in Dallas has been told many times by those that know. Their egos are to large to keep it quite. It's just that those that catch on early and crow like a rooster dont last long. They want you to know, just dont say anything. Much like stalin when he said " its ok to hate as long as they fear.
Any man that has ever fired a gun should know that the warren report was a lie of the most rediculous sort.
 
Most people dont know the sun came up that morning.

[us920669]

Briarpatch, your post is absolutely right.  I wrote that too fast, heading out the door.  I finished the tape, found it very good, if a bit gossipy, but I don't think it really tells us a lot.  The big idea is the meeting.  She wasn't in it, it was called as the party was breaking up - as dozens, maybe hundreds of uncleared people were around, and it was just too big for something that sensitive.  I would like to have been at the meeting later, at Campisi's restaurant, where Ruby had a steak.  Actually, I wouldn't have been caught dead there, since I later would have been dead.  Take Decker, for instance.  He had been a corrupt lawman since at least the '30s, but that's not the same as being a conspirator.  After the shooting, he was on the radio ordering men to the grassy knoll (actually the railroad yard - sane thing).  The railroad yard was a potential trap - only one way in and out - if it had been sealed and properly searched, they might have found whoever probably did fire from the treeline - quite possibly an XP 100.  I was also troubled that she called herself a friend of Billy Sol Estes, so who knows what sub-mob she was part of.  There were also some awkward edits - one during a discussion of the parade route.  What a great way to jerk the chain of an amateur sleuth.  Any parade in Dallas would go through Dealey Plaza.  It was the main ceremonial plaza, the place where all the main streets came together.  So, the tape was interesting, but not very conclusive.  We have to be very careful not to bite on flimsy evidence, since it discredits the whole case.   [size=78%] [/size]

[us920669]

Something else about the lady's interview has been bothering me.  She said LBJ came out of the meeting seething with anger, so steamed up he made an incriminating remark.  If the meeting had finalized details for the assassination, he should have been smiling like a Cheshire cat.  I suspect that the "Great White Fathers", as she called them, laid down the law about how there was to be no trouble during the president's visit, lots of Texas hospitality and such.  Lyndon might have pushed back about what a scumbag Kennedy was, and gotten the world's smallest violin treatment, maybe even got dressed down in front of everyone about being so greedy he got caught.  I don't know, of course, but it sure rings truer to me that way.

[us920669]

The meeting was the night before the assassination, so he hadn't yet been sworn in - by one of his favorite judges, by the way, the judge who would eventually be hearing the case against the Dallas Mafia.  Even if Hunt and Murchison were the ringleaders, it seems like with people at the level of Nixon and McCloy in the room, the meeting would have been strictly window dressing.  The big boys don't want to know the details, in case they are ever sworn.  I know about Hunt's flyers, and his undisguised loathing of Harvard educated mop tops, but if he was going to pick up the phone, the flyers seem like about the last thing he would want to do.
Again, these people were not stupid.  They knew the advantage of getting as many others as possible to incriminate themselves.  The fact that Nixon was in town never gets much attention in MSM, which seems like a bright red flag, but he was there for the Pepsico convention.  He was deeply involved with Pepsi, and missing the convention would have been very odd.  Conventions are usually booked way way in advance, so people can save the date, while Kennedy's travel plans were announced in late summer, I think.  Something else that made Dallas the ideal place to do it.

[briarpatch]

Little more info.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG3Kj4_9xAI&feature=share&list=PL1EB5B276CC2186DD

[us920669]

Thanks for all the hard work you guys are doing on this.
Geraldo!  Wow.  I'm 66 and I was immersed in this stuff as a young adult.  For some reason I broke with Geraldo, thought I was being monkeyed with on something, but the panel he assembled for the KA series is excellent.  I plan on going back and watching them all.  And I remember the lady now, too.  I thought there was something familiar about her in the lawn chair interview, but I had forgotten all about it.  I think I decided she was mainly the love child angle and I really didn't care.  I meant no disrespect, she is a great old gal and I bet a real package as a youngster, but her life story and some of the cracks and asides even today suggest she inhabits a different ethical universe than I do.
The Bush angle - I still don't know.  Anything is possible.  The photos are somewhat questionable, sure did look like W as a sprout.  I can't help noticing that the latest KA revelations are always linked to the current political situation.  Today, the republicans are starting to think about their candidates for what might be a very favorable election climate, and now all of a sudden it's the Bush name, not just the recent one but those approaching death or the long-dead.
I hope everyone realizes, I am so skeptical and play devil's advocate because I really want to know, not get buffaloed into someone else's agenda.  I think JFK would understand. 

[briarpatch]

Nothing wrong with being skeptical, its how answers are found to serious questions. What I post may not be true and I dont post it as being the truth. I post it as helping to maybe look at something a little clearer.
One thing about the lady Miss Brown. I think after listening to her and realising how many people she knew and the relationship with each, the places she showed up, the secret meetings she was aware of. I think she was much more involved than she has said. She seems to be the classic, jilted, tired, old used up woman with nothing to show for it and wants to tell the world and steer the shame away from herself.

[Graybeard]

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