hussein to announce major cuts to our nuclear arsenal soon.

[magooch]

I seem to remember when I was in the Air Force, 1965-1973, the Israel's got F86's for us. Were outdated and relatively slow so they pumped them up a bit. Added F106 motors to them. made them pretty darn fast! Maybe it was F102 motors. I talked to a piolet that had actually seen them go and he said they could out run anything!

That pile it that you talked to must not have heard of the Black Bird and a few other planes that were around back in those days.  We used to get overflights from Russian planes back in the Sixties that were truckin so fast that our fighters (F-102s) didn't even bother to scramble.

[yellowtail3]

I seem to remember when I was in the Air Force, 1965-1973, the Israel's got F86's for us. Were outdated and relatively slow so they pumped them up a bit. Added F106 motors to them. made them pretty darn fast! Maybe it was F102 motors. I talked to a piolet that had actually seen them go and he said they could out run anything!

Never heard that story. Best F-86, as I recall, were the Canadian ones with the Orenda engines - much better than last US Sabres. I know the Paks used them against the Indians, but I don't think the Israelis AF ever used the F-86. Perhaps you're thinking of the Mirage Vs the IDF reverse engineered & improved, using the J-79 which was also used in the F-4, and creating the Kfir?

[BBF]

None of them outfly a AA missile, perhaps they could outmaneuver them if the pilot is real good. However a Radar or Laser aimed AAA isn't going to be outrun or maneuvered.
 
Even a semi dumb AAA battery with enough Ordnance launched in the sky is nothing to laugh off.

[BBF]

LOL
Land -Air- Land. Nothing new there TM7 most things launched usually return to earth somewhere and usually soon. Now to make it land where you want it takes a bit of "figgering" out.