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Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« on: May 24, 2013, 03:43:51 PM »
 Washington bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span, authorities say  Published May 24, 2013
Associated Press    MOUNT VERNON, Wash. –  A truck carrying an oversize load struck a bridge on the major thoroughfare between Seattle and Canada, sending a section of the span and two vehicles into the Skagit River below, though all three occupants suffered only minor injuries.
It happened about 7 p.m. Thursday on the four-lane Interstate 5 bridge near Mount Vernon, about 60 miles north of Seattle, and disrupted travel in both directions.
 
Initially, it wasn't clear if the bridge just gave way on its own. But at an overnight news conference, Washington State Patrol Chief John Batiste blamed it on a tractor-trailer carrying a tall load that hit an upper part of the span.
"For reasons unknown at this point in time, the semi struck the overhead of the bridge causing the collapse," he said.
The truck made it off the bridge and the driver remained at the scene and cooperated with investigators.
 
Two other vehicles went into the water about 50 feet below as the structure crumbled. Three people were rescued and were recovering Friday.
Drivers were told to expect delays. Detours have been set up to try to ease the congestion. Batiste urged drivers to avoid the area if possible, especially over the Memorial Day weekend.
Traffic along the heavily travelled route could be affected for some time. The bridge is used by an average of 71,000 vehicles a day.
"The I-5 corridor is totally disrupted," said Washington Gov. Jay Inslee, who went to the scene Thursday night.
 
"Thanks to the rescuers and a little bit of luck, we had three Skagitonians who made it out of the Skagit River alive," Inslee said.
Dan Sligh and his wife were in their pickup on Interstate 5 heading to a camping trip when a bridge before them disappeared in a "big puff of dust."
"I hit the brakes and we went off," Sligh told reporters from a hospital, adding he "saw the water approaching ... you hold on as tight as you can."
Sligh, his wife and another man in a different vehicle were dumped into the chilly waters of the Skagit River.
Sligh and his wife were taken to Skagit Valley Hospital with non-life-threatening injuries. The other man was reported in stable condition at United General Hospital in Sedro-Woolley, hospital CEO Greg Reed said.
 
Sligh said his shoulder was dislocated in the drop into the water, and he found himself "belly deep in water in the truck." He said he popped his shoulder back in and called out to his wife, who he described as being in shock initially as they waited for rescuers to arrive in boats.
The bridge was inspected twice last year and repairs were made, Transportation Secretary Lynn Peterson said.
"It's an older bridge that needs a lot of work just like a good number of bridges around the state," she said.
Transportation officials are working on plans for either a temporary or permanent replacement, she said.
 
The National Transportation Safety Board was sending an investigative team.
Jeremiah Thomas, a volunteer firefighter, said he was driving nearby when he glimpsed something out of the corner of his eye and turned to look.
"The bridge just went down, it crashed through the water," he said. "It was really surreal."
Deyerin said the water depth was about 15 feet, and the vehicles half-visible in the water likely were resting on portions of the collapsed bridge.
Crowds of people lined the river to watch the scene unfold.
"It's not something you see every day," said Jimmy O'Connor, the owner of two local pizza restaurants who was driving on another bridge parallel to the one that collapsed. "People were starting to crawl out of their cars."
 
He said he and his girlfriend were about 400 yards away on the Burlington Bridge when they heard "just a loud bang."
"Then we looked over and saw the bridge was down in the water," he said.
He pulled over and saw three vehicles in the water, including the camping trailer that landed upside-down, he said.
The bridge was not classified as structurally deficient, but a Federal Highway Administration database listed it as being "functionally obsolete" -- a category meaning that the design is outdated, such as having narrow shoulders and low clearance underneath.
 
The bridge was built in in 1955 and had a sufficiency rating of 47 out of 100 at its November 2012 inspection, Transportation Department spokesman Noel Brady said Friday. Washington state was given a C in the American Society of Civil Engineers' 2013 infrastructure report card and a C- when it came to the state's bridges. The group said more than a quarter of Washington's 7,840 bridges are considered structurally deficient or functionally obsolete.
The mishap was reminiscent of the August 2007 collapse of an I-35W bridge in Minneapolis that killed 13 people and injured another 145 when it buckled and fell into the Mississippi River during rush-hour.
Sligh was thankful.
His wife was "doing OK" and that he had "lots of cuts," he said. "You're kind of pinching yourself and realize you're lucky to be alive

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Re: Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« Reply #1 on: May 24, 2013, 04:35:10 PM »
It is amazing that no one was killed there! More amazing that more autos didn't go over.
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Re: Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« Reply #2 on: May 24, 2013, 04:45:48 PM »
Sounds like the gub-mint shoulda used some of the money spent on unwanted military hardware for maintainin' the infrastructure. It IS the national defense highway system. It's not like it was a mostly unused storm shelter in a grammar school or something...
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Re: Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2013, 01:45:27 AM »
Actually the gub-mint shoulda used some of the money to repair their bridges and roads, that is spent on able bodied welfare recipients that are milking the system. Isn't Washington and Oregon a couple of states that harbor  nests of liberalism?   
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Re: Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2013, 02:30:24 AM »
You are free to turn in any able bodied welfare recipients that are milking the system, in fact, it's your duty to do so, so why haven't you?  And, even though the northwest states are nests of liberalism, nobody died in that disaster--- so what's god got against the conservatives in Oklahoma? That they elected morons?  ???
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Re: Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2013, 03:43:25 AM »
Well CDQ I did turn in someone a couple of years ago that is receiving government welfare. He was doing roofing, landscaping, and jobs of that nature. Today he is still getting his check, and still working. You see the system is so broken and corrupt that welfare agencies don't want to hear about someone working while getting welfare. If they cut people like that from the roles they might lose their job and government might get smaller. I think out of the 70 plus welfare programs there was one that required people to look for work. The problem was, work was considered as bed rest, going to weight watchers, or hula dancing. The welfare programs don't require people to work and they don't care if anyone is.
Milkers do vote, and it enables them to steal money from tax payers legally. As we continue to parade out more socialist ideas. More bridges will fall, and more roads will fall apart. The utopian socialist dream of lifting people out of poverty through welfare programs, has failed terribly, but it works great for corrupt politicians getting a job, and keeping it.
Again liberalism always creates the exact opposite of its intent. The welfare programs are very good proof of it. More proof of it is our bridges are falling down.         
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Re: Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2013, 04:38:17 AM »
To paraphrase Edison: now we know more ways it won't work. Just like we KNOW corpo-communism doesn't work, either.
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Re: Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« Reply #7 on: May 25, 2013, 04:45:43 AM »
"More bridges will fall, and more roads will fall apart."
Truth in advertizing says it didn't fall apart, but was hit by a truck which caused the bridge fail.  It happens since structures can't be designed to survive all potential destructive incidents.
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« Reply #8 on: May 25, 2013, 05:15:26 AM »
That bridge was perfectly fine before the truck with the over sized load smashed into part of the structure.  Like many bridges, that bridge was basically a truss and when you dislocate any part of a truss, the integrity is gone and it collapses. 


The truck driver knew full well he had an extra tall load and at the very least the driver and the trucking company should have checked bridge and underpass clearances for the intended trip.  I'm pretty sure if the truck hadn't nailed that bridge, it surely would have found an overpass, or something along the way to smash into.  They had a lead car for Pete's sake.  What a bunch of incompetent clowns.  This is not the first time a tall load has hit stuff on I-5 and it's not because this highway is built wrong, it's because the stupid trucking companies are--well-- stupid.


I'm hoping the trucking outfit has to pay for the whole thing and if it puts them out of business, so be it.  It is a Canadian outfit.  If it sounds like I'm not very sympathetic to trucks, I'm not.  I know the industry is very, very important, but I see the most irresponsible drivers on I-5 that anyone can imagine.  The top speed limit for all trucks on I-5 is 60 mph.  I've clocked some of these idiots at 80 mph and they'll ride almost on your bumper if you don't get out of their way.  Get near one of these trucks when it's raining and you get fogged with so much spray that you are blinded.  Most of them won't even slow down when conditions are very hazardous.  There are some very conscientious drivers out there, but they are the exception and not the rule.  I have written to the Washington State Patrol and asked why they don't have a continuous concerted effort to bring truckers into safe driving compliance.  They don't seem to care.  I think they could virtually pay for any deficit in the state budget if they would simply enforce the speed limit on trucks.
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Re: Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« Reply #9 on: May 25, 2013, 06:05:42 AM »
Call it what you wish, but the fact is many bridges are falling apart in this country, because states and cities are about bankrupt. You all can be the judge of why that is. Take Pittsburgh for instance. Just about every bridge in the city is in need of extensive repairs, but no money. The roads in this area is another issue. Maybe its just the area I live in, because I've heard truckers say that Pa has some of the worst roads and bridges in the country.   
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« Reply #10 on: May 25, 2013, 06:53:03 AM »
Here's an interview with a witness that saw the lead vehicle warning whip hit the bridge, if this lead vehicle would have been further ahead of the oversize load, he could have warned the driver of the oversize load to stop or stay away from the right side of the roadway to avoid the low part of the bridge structure, but the lead vehicle was too close to the oversize load to warn him in time, the oversize load driver obviously moved away from the right after the impact since he continued across the bridge without incident.  ::)

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Re: Wash bridge collapse caused by truck hitting span.
« Reply #11 on: May 25, 2013, 07:13:25 AM »
I've driven I 5 from Cal to mid Washington, and thought the only truss type bridge on it was in Portland across the Columbia into Vancouver,  Wa. It's a draw bridge to allow ships to use the river.Never been as far north as south of Seattle.

From the local news here in Oregon, it looks like the driver is legally responsible for the accident. The permits and such were compliant.
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« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2013, 03:46:39 AM »
An aquaintence of mine, works for the DOT here in Ohio. And, that is his job, bridge inspector. And yes, a whole lot of bridge's across this country are in sad shape. Being hit by a truck sure doesn't help. But, maybe one way of helping the situation out, would be to make all those able bodied welfare recipients go to work fixing the highways. FDR did it back in the 30's, it was WPA. Lets get something out of our tax dollars. gypsyman
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« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2013, 05:37:22 AM »
Gee, I thought Barry said the stimulus money was going to fix all those roads and bridges. :o
 
I don't think all the blame lies with the trucking company, he apparently had the proper permit(s).  How about the government agency that issued the permit(s)?  Did they really have any idea of the dimensions of the load and consider whether it was compatible with the bridge?  Or did they just collect the fee and put their rubber stamp on it?  It just seems common sense would dictate not issuing a permit if the load was too tall to clear the bridge trusses!

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« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2013, 06:29:09 AM »
The stimulus money was squandered by giving it to the corpo-communists. It would have worked if they had simply used the money to pay off the debts of the working class, instead of just giving it to the corpo-communists to bring their books back into balance. That bridge might not have collapsed if it had been at 100% instead of 47%.
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« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2013, 07:59:59 AM »
The blame lies on the oversize load permit holder since the load exceeded the permit's width and height limit, and the driver of the lead pilot/escort vehicle who the oversize load truck driver said never notified him of a problem, but veteran truck driver(Dale Ogden) who was in the adjacent lane behind the pilot vehicle but ahead of the oversize load when the pilot vehicle height pole(he called it a whip) hit the overhead bridge cross beams, then in the rearview saw the oversize load hit the bridge and subsequently watched the bridge span fall, watch the videos in both news links I posted, it's all discussed there. 

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WAC 468-38-100
 
Pilot/escort vehicle and operator requirements.
 
  (1) When is a pilot/escort vehicle(s) required to accompany an extra-legal vehicle or load? A pilot/escort vehicle(s) must accompany an extra-legal load when:

      (a) The vehicle(s) or load is over eleven feet wide. Two pilot/escort vehicles are required on two lane roads, one in front and one in back.

      (b) The vehicle(s) or load is over fourteen feet wide. One escort vehicle is required at the rear of the movement on multilane highways.

      (c) The vehicle(s) or load is over twenty feet wide. Two pilot/escort vehicles are required on multilane undivided highways, one in front and one in back.

      (d) The trailer length, including load, of a tractor/trailer combination exceeds one hundred five feet, or when the rear overhang of a load measured from the center of the rear axle exceeds one-third of the trailer length plus load of a tractor/trailer or truck/trailer combination. One pilot/escort vehicle is required at the rear of the movement on two-lane highways.

      (e) The trailer length, including load, of a tractor/trailer combination exceeds one hundred twenty-five feet. One pilot/escort vehicle is required at the rear of the movement on multilane highways.

      (f) The front overhang of a load measured from the center of the front steer axle exceeds twenty feet. One pilot/escort vehicle is required at the front on all two-lane highways.

      (g) The rear overhang of a load on a single unit vehicle, measured from the center of the rear axle, exceeds twenty feet. One pilot/escort vehicle is required at the rear of the movement on two-lane highways.

      (h) The height of the vehicle(s) or load exceeds fourteen feet six inches. One pilot/escort vehicle with height measuring device (pole) is required at the front of the movement on all state highways and roads.

      (i) The operator, using rearview mirrors, cannot see two hundred feet to the rear of the vehicle or vehicle combination.

      (j) In the opinion of the department, a pilot/escort vehicle(s) is necessary to protect the traveling public. Assignments of this nature must be authorized through the department's administrator for commercial vehicle services.


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b) Notify the operator of the extra-legal vehicle, and the operator(s) of any trailing pilot/escort vehicle(s), about any condition that could affect either the safe movement of the extra-legal vehicle or the safety of the traveling public, in sufficient time for the operator of the extra-legal vehicle to take corrective action. Conditions requiring communication include, but are not limited to, road-surface hazards; overhead clearances; obstructions; traffic congestion; pedestrians; etc.;

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