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Offline Big Blue

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Reloaders, Who Do We Trust?
« on: February 23, 2004, 01:58:38 AM »
There are manuals for sale from Hodgdon, Lyman, Speer, Nosler, Sierra, Barnes, and others. Which manuals are we to trust, the ones from powder companies, or from bullet manufacturers. I have found some large load disparities between manuals. Some manuals max loads aren't even up to the levels published as starting loads in other manuals. I err on the side of caution when I come across this, and this is a good reason to base your loads on more than one manual. I was just wondering which you think are more accurate, the powder company manuals, or those of the bullet manufacturers?
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« Reply #1 on: February 23, 2004, 07:11:59 AM »
Big Blue:

While I have found some inconsistanties too,they haven't been to far out of the norm for the published loads,considering that some of them are shot in a test chamber,and some of them are shot out of an actual rifle.,and that no 2 chambers are the same...only similar.

We as handloaders,have to exercise caution anytime we choose one manual over the other...if we err,we should do it on the lee side instead of starting out at the maximum charges anyway.Also we must ensure that we are using the most up to date data that is available.I have seen guys that post data for someone asking for their paticular favorite load only to find out that they were using a 5 year old reloading manual.

Most of the powder manufctures will have available their latest reloading data on-line and will give it out freely,while you have to pay for it from the bullet manufactures,most of the time,if you want a printed version.  That's one of the nice things when using the powder manufactures data..they will give you different bullet weights and usually diferent bullet manufactures results with their data over a specific bullet from a specific company...

This is one of the reasons when talking with a beginning handloader, one of the first things I advise them to do,is to gather as much reloading data from both the Powder companies and the Bullet manufactures prior to starting...that way they can at least have the latest data available..and it gives them a much broader veiw of the cartridge/cartridges they are interested in.

It's all a learning process,even for vetrean reloaders..we learn something new everyday.We have to stay on top of new developements with our favorite powders and bullets and see if the companies have changed them or reformulated them to act differently.You can see that just by comparing the old with the new data that has been printed,in the last few years.One of the biggest changes you'll run into with the data is if they have switched from a test chamber,to that of an actual rifle,this is why we must constanly be checking for new data and comparing it to everone elses.When people stop checking for new data for one reason or another,that's when problems can happen.

I personally like to call both the bullet companies and the powder companies and talk with the tech's to see if anything is new.I've made good contacts this way and have been given  new data over the phone prior to it's being published.It's always nice when they give you some good reloading data and you call them back and tell them how great it worked for you,and share your hunts with them...at least it always has for me.

As far as personal favorites to reloading manuals...I would say for me..the  most accurate one would be the Hodgdons series of Annual Manuals for $8.00 at newsstands..next up with be Nosler's,Hornady's,Sierra's,Speer's,then Lyman's,another good one is Swift's manual...it's probably laid out the best ..but limited on choices for it.

The old saying really applies here more than other places...when in doubt...call them,that's the best advice I can offer.

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« Reply #2 on: February 23, 2004, 11:51:06 AM »
what abt those little manuals in cabelas that are supposedly a listing of all the loads from all the major manufaturers?? are they pretty accurate to rely on?

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« Reply #3 on: February 23, 2004, 12:06:55 PM »
Those little books Cabelas sell are good info I have one for all the calibers I own, but I cross refrence as much as I can just to be sure, Just don't start at max load then work your way up. You'll be fine. 8)
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« Reply #4 on: February 23, 2004, 12:18:41 PM »
I have both, last year, and this years Hodgdon annual manual, and for the most part they have served very well. I was comparing loads for a .357 snubbie, and wanted to get something light. The Sierra manaul I have is an outdated 1980 version, and lists 16.3-19.0 gr. of H110, the Hodgdon manual lists 21.0-22.0 gr. of H110. That's quite a disparity. I erred on the side of safety, and went with the 16.3 load. It shot very well, and filled the case above the 90% level when the bullet is seated. I jumped up to 17.0 gr. H110, and the load was marginally heavier. I won't try 21.0 gr. While the snubbie is more recoil sensative than other guns, I can't imagine what the max. load from Hodgdon would be like. The one load books are pretty good, as they will give loads for various powder, and bullet manufacturers. The one load books from Midway USA are great.
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