Handi 410-45 barrel question

[cwilbanks]

I just bought a used Handi with a 45 Long Colt barrel and a 243 barrel.  The 45 LC barrel has the screw in choke in the end.  The seller didn't know much about the gun so I have several questions im sure you guys will be able to answer.  The receiver is a SB2 and the 243 has the last three digits of the serial number hand engraved in it like the last new Handi I purchased so im guessing it was the original barrel on the receiver.  The 45 LC barrel appears to be a factory H&R barrel but it has no markings that I can find (it does have a scope rail on it that I have not looked under yet).  Also the 45 LC barrel has the last three of the serial number machine stamped on it in the same location as the hand engraving on the 243.  On the 45 LC with the last three being machined stamped and the barrel having no markings is this a factory barrel?  Also, does the choke need to be taken out before the 45 rounds are fired through the barrel because I believe I have read somewhere not to shot the 45 with the choke in?

[quickdtoo]

The choke on the 410-45 barrel is removed for shooting colt rounds, the barrel has been fitted as an accessory barrel, you can download the manual for the 410-45 Survivor Shotgun for more info.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Support/manuals.asp

[cwilbanks]

Thanks Tim that's the answer I was hoping for.  So, when H&R factory fits a barrel they machine stamp it? and when they are new its hand engraved? just curious if this is typical of how they do it?

[quickdtoo]

Info on barrel marking is in the FAQs and was just brought up recently. 

Tim

I have two Ilion made factory rifles, both are just fine, both have etched 3-digit underlug markings. I also have a 7mm-08 Superlight accessory barrel that Brian fitted in Ilion, it's stamped with the last 4 digits as Brian states in the FAQs, the Ilion "stamp" marked accessory barrels are 4-digit, etched 3-digit are factory rifles.

Tim

  As a rule shotgun barrels were never stamped, unless it was a barrel fit.
As for rifle barrels if they were etched, they were original barrel to receiver fits. If they were stamped with either  a 3 digit number (Gardner Ma. ) or a 4 digit number ( Ilion). They were an accessory barrel fit.

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[bigvarmnt]

Sounds like you have some good fun there in your hands  


Don't let any swamp dwellers try to talk you out of it.

[garbhead]

Did it come with the choke removal tool?  Also these 45/410 weren't drilled and tapped for scope mount, so either someone else did it or someone had H&R do it when they ordered the barrel(in the good old days)....

remove the scope mount if screwed on and it should say Survivor 45 colt/410 under it. May have been epoxied on or ?....just my 2c worth, (worth about a penny)

[bigvarmnt]

garbhead, guess I owe you a penny, I wondered about the d&t and removal tool when I read it earlier.
Sounds like a nice combo, can't wait to hear how the 243 shoots.

[gendoc]

Don't let any swamp dwellers try to talk you out of it.

I'll take it !!!!!!!!!!!!!..............

[bigvarmnt]

And your avatar says "I Know Nothing"

[gendoc]

And your avatar says "I Know Nothing"

hell, i'm from tha south... kinda slow, but can cut & shoot purdy dang gud-yeah.............

[petemi]

Amen John.  I'm a Southern Boy at heart......just can't stand the chiggers and the Snow Birds.  Life's good around here when all the migrants have left to pester you folks.  Winter has it's good points....no bugs and damned few tourists

I'm not trying to put down Handis, but I have a Savage 24 that I can swap from .357 to 20 ga. with the flick of a finger.  It beats reloading and messing with a choke.  That's why I don't own a .45/.410.

Pete

[cwilbanks]

Did it come with the choke removal tool?  Also these 45/410 weren't drilled and tapped for scope mount, so either someone else did it or someone had H&R do it when they ordered the barrel(in the good old days)....

remove the scope mount if screwed on and it should say Survivor 45 colt/410 under it. May have been epoxied on or ?....just my 2c worth, (worth about a penny)

It didn't come with the removal tool and I have not removed the scope base yet but it is screwed on and appears to be straight and well done.  I am concerned that the barrel has the choke in and a scope rail on it.  Makes me think the previous owner (not guy I bought it from) had maybe fired 45 LC with the choke in.  If so hopefully with some patience I can get it out.

[garbhead]

Shouldn't be that tight. Just find something you can stick in there to catch 2 opposing slots and unscrew. The choke tool is small about the size of an old timey clock key. Not sure what it would do to shoot 45 bullet thru the choke but I am fairly sure it has happened to someone

[petemi]

I don't know, just guessing and Tim, John or someone will correct me.  I think the "Choke Tube" isn't so much a  choke, but a reverse rifled tube to stop the rotation of the shot load.  It may be choked also, but I don't have a clue if it is Improved Cylinder, Modified or Full.  Enlighten me please guys.

Pete

[quickdtoo]

The H&R Survivor website says "Standard shotguns have a modified choke". I would think they'd put a tube in it that isn't gonna cause a catastrophic failure if the tube wasn't removed when shooting colt ammo, although shooting a lot of bullets thru it may make it hard to be removed, Brian would know for sure if there's a history of problems.

Tim

http://www.hr1871.com/Firearms/ShotgunsAndRifles/survivor.asp

[tacklebury]

Try soaking the muzzle end down in a can of oil.  See if some of it will slip up inside the threads a bit.  If you have liquid wrench, use that, because it's designed for break free applications. 

[gendoc]

I can tellya from my apprentice level experience..........   bout yur problem.
who ever done shot that barrel witha slug ora colt load, fergot to remove tha tube... more than 1 or 10 times
I have got several off here wif same prollum.... I jus cut'um clean an remove tha choke area ana who !!!!
if ya want an accurate combo shooter, swap barrels.... itsa proven fact

[bigvarmnt]

After I read it 5 times I think it makes sense   Thanks!

[petemi]

John, ya know this Yankee Dumbass is too lazy ta swap barrels.  That's fer the younger fellers.  But. complete rifles get to be a storage problem n Patty already told me she ain't sleepin on em no more.  They're lumpy as hell under a table cloth too and it's really hard to set out the dinner plates.  Geeze, I think I'm gonna havta build a Handi Annex.

The above is kidding around, but it is pretty much a reality.   After having shorty Maxis, .445, .38-55 and .356/.358 I'm lusting after a 16.5 to 18 inch .45-70.  I'd send a frame up to Brian if I could figure out where to store the extra rifle, but where?  I could cut my 22 incher, put it back in it's home spot and be done.  This being a Handiholic ain't fer kids.

Pete

[Dinny]

Pete,
  I can help you with extra storage space to spare. PM sent with my mailing address.


Thanks, Dinny

[Duckdog]

I have a couple of these barrels and they are both tapped, by me.  If you haven't already looked in the stock for your choke removal tool, I would start there.  If you can't find it, you can get additional chokes and removal tools from Magnum Research  for a pretty good price, as they are using the TC system just like the  NEF barrel you have.
These tubes can get pretty darn tight even with lock tight on the threads, so it doesn't surprise me.  with the choke tube removal tool and some leverage, it should come right out.
I took the scopes off of mine when the 45 LC barrel came out, as it is more accurate for me.  But, with a good scope, I was getting 3" groups @ 100 yds with mine.  Plenty good for hunting.
 

[Ol BW]

Are you sure the choke tube is still in it?  If they had a scope mounted, they may have shot 45's alot and left it out or lost it before they sold it.

BW