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Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« on: June 07, 2013, 06:38:54 PM »
Hi All,
     Just ordered up a Pardner Pump. Since it's an 870 clone, I'm wondering if there's any "standard" action tune/polish that folks do to these?



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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2013, 08:31:36 AM »
I know of no standard polishing plan for the 870. Any pump shotgun can benefit from a bit of polishing but the easiest and most efficient technique is to simply use the gun.  could of cases f ammo fired on a skeet/trap/sporting clays range will smooth areas of roughness..
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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #2 on: June 17, 2013, 09:03:41 PM »
You can do a "poor mans" trigger & action job, smear toothpaste on the hammer sear, trigger sear, disconnector , all the pivot pointes and the track the bolt rides on, then work the action & trigger a few 1000 times. 

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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #3 on: June 17, 2013, 09:09:30 PM »
PS, Then clean the gun with brake cleaner & gun scrubber completely . Then lube

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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #4 on: June 17, 2013, 09:13:48 PM »
PS, then clean with brake cleaner & gun scrubber, then lube

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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #5 on: June 18, 2013, 02:21:38 AM »
When you do a trigger or action job in reality you are trying to mate surfaces so they work smooth. Even if you polish or use tooth paste when all is said and done the parts still have to wear in together. Why not shoot it or use snap caps and just oil and work the gun ? Then you know the parts are working together as intended. It doesn't take long to get an 870 smooth not sure about the pardner and what type metal is used.
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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #6 on: June 18, 2013, 03:01:10 AM »
I would agree with SHOOTALL. I would work the action repeatedly, and not really worry about he trigger. Just hold the slide release to unlock the action, and not worry right now about the trigger pull. It ain't a bench rifle after all. This usually frees the slide and action bars, and bolt pretty quickly.
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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #7 on: June 21, 2013, 04:44:26 AM »
It finally arrived and I got a chance to look it over... but it's still in 10 "gun jail" or whatever they call it over here on the west coast.

Seems like it doesn't really need anything, to be honest. So, guess I was worried for no reason.

Toothpaste...on metal... now that's one I handn't thought of at the moment, but makes sense for sure.

Actually from my prior life in manufacturing machine shops... I'd have gone with 3 micron or less diamond lapping paste where I want a true mirror polish. I've never gotten that level of fine polish from something like toothpaste.. but of course I imagine they don't want it to be a quick cutting abrasive, since it's for teeth.  Whenever I've tried toothpaste on something, looking for a fine polish, it seems to not really cut at all.

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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #8 on: June 21, 2013, 07:13:33 AM »
baking soda and fine oil mixed work well, most of us don't have a machine shop supply at hand so we invent things  ;D
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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #9 on: June 21, 2013, 02:31:13 PM »
baking soda and fine oil mixed work well, most of us don't have a machine shop supply at hand so we invent things  ;D

I don't either these days... that was the early 80's... worked in power transistor manufacturing... lots of lapping and polishing work was done on the silicon wafers before photo etching them. So the place was full of various compounds.

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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #10 on: June 21, 2013, 04:32:57 PM »
i'd have to go with those that suggested
the using route.
extended practice and the familiarity that
comes with it will do nothing but help.
it needs to be patterned anyway, so. . . .
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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #11 on: June 21, 2013, 06:05:05 PM »
i'd have to go with those that suggested
the using route.
extended practice and the familiarity that
comes with it will do nothing but help.
it needs to be patterned anyway, so. . . .

Well I can see two arguments.

1) Polishing it up is the same as wearing it out early... I could by into this if the fit already good, but just tight. Wouldn't touch it in that case. (Will be more sure once I get it home.)

2) Factory fit and finish is rough enough that it wears fast than it would if it were "professionally" fitted and tuned - There's a Super Blackhawk floating around in the family that was tuned and lightened back in the early 60's... it functions like a Swiss watch... no telling how many round have been through it. Still tight and perfectly timed as it was all those years and rounds ago. One of my earliest memories was accidentally getting pinched by the hammer as a kid, LOL!

Anyway, the point being, I'm on the fence as to whether any gun should receive that sort of fitting/polishing/tuning as a matter of increased performance and life span.

Perhaps like a balanced and blueprinted engine?

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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2013, 03:40:59 AM »
That 60s Super Blackhawk is more of a testament of "being taken care of, and not abused" than the tune that was put on it. In many ways, a revolver wears out, while an auto loader wears in, to a degree. Had that hammer been "yanked on repeatedly" over the years, it wouldn't have mattered how good a tune it had had. And there aren't many movin parts in a single action to begin with.
Many times car doors on new cars, have to be pushed shut because the "new body" is so tight. That tightness fades with use, just like a pump shotgun slide will. As far as the tooth paste trick? That's a new one on me. We used to use toothpaste and a brush, to bring the shine back up on our badges, and collar brass, but never heard of it used on guns. If a shotgun were brought to me, (and they brought many), that had a few "hangs" in it, I tore it down, and the "hangs" were easily identified by the tell-tale scratches in the bluing. A dremel tool and a little jewelers rouge, took care of this. However. The gun would have worn in on its own 99.9% of the time anyway.
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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2013, 04:45:58 AM »
If it were mine I wouldn't do anything before I shot it for a while, say a few hundred rounds.
 
By then you'll have a good "feel" for it and can decide whether or not it really needs any work.
 
My tendency is towards the "If it ain't broke don't fix it" school of thought.

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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #14 on: June 22, 2013, 06:16:05 AM »
I agree spruce. I have shot most likely several thousand rounds thru an 870 as I carried it on duty for about 20 years, and used it heavily in training. It has not been touched save a new extractor, and I may have just re-cut the old one and put it back in. I can't really remember. I DID put a spring kit in an 1100 Remington for SWAT, but I can't tell if it really mattered, both shotguns are still shootin, and I have been retired for almost 20 years. Sometimes, we (myself included) overthink things, and want something new, to act like something old. Older in good shape 870s don't cost that much, and will usually outlast the owner.
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Re: Pump Shotgun Action Tune
« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2019, 05:11:37 AM »
Let's bring this one back up and see if folks might want to talk more about it.


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