i couldnt tell you how many of them stupid grinners ive caught this year,20 coons,and my first fox and bobcat,i probably caught twice that many of grinners,i was gonna sell them,i probably sold 15 of em,they are really good for practicing your skinning,fleshing and stretching,thats what i like about them,if it wasnt for them grinners i would have ruined almost all of my furs,but i didnt,thanks to them sorry,no good,turkey snatchin,trash can knockovers,back porch garbage eatin son of a gun grinners,i actually made some money my first year,oh and groundhogs are also useful for practcin,because with groundhog and grinners,if you mess up,the only thing you lose is a .22 bullet,and the use of one of ur traps for a night