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Reloading Ammo – Why?
« on: July 19, 2020, 09:36:09 AM »
https://www.rifleshootermag.com/editorial/the-handloading-question/358856

Craig Boddington - March 26, 2019

The handloading question: With large availability factory ammo on the market, why bother with reloading?

In the Dark Ages when I was a kid, it was an article of faith you could handload a cartridge that was not only cheaper but also better than any cartridge you could buy. Today I’m not so sure. Factory ammo is pricey today, but inflation also has hit reloading equipment and components. You can save money at the loading bench, but it takes a lot of shooting to amortize the equipment. For high-volume competitors it’s a no-brainer, but for casual shooters the savings aren’t so clear. On the other hand, when you start handloading you’ll probably find yourself shooting a lot more, which is good.

As for “better” this is also not as clear. My dad was a bird shooter, with zero experience with centerfire rifles. When I got interested, Dad went to a buddy of his, Jack Pohl, then owner of the old E.C. Bishop gunstock company in Warsaw, Missouri. I was about 11, and Jack taught both of us.

The deal: Before I could go hunting I had to learn how to handload. Back then, factory ammo was limited. Most of it was okay, but there weren’t any “premium” loads with designer bullets. I was certain I could build a better cartridge than I could buy.

Today factory ammunition has come a long way in both variety and consistency. However, it always depends on what you want and what you are willing to accept—and how robust the factory choices are for the cartridges your rifles are chambered to. You can still load a cartridge that if not “ better” than a factory cartridge is at least specifically tailored to your rifle. But despite how incredibly good factory ammo is today, there are times when the best solution is to load.
The basics of the self-contained centerfire cartridge has changed little since 1870. The four components are: case, primer, propellant charge and projectile. All can be varied. You can try different brands of cases, which vary in weight and thus thickness of brass and internal capacity.


There are dozens of propellants—flake, ball, long grain and short grain—with different burning rates. Not all are suitable for all case dimensions. Sometimes there are many choices, other times just a few. Either way, the weight of the charge can be varied. You can try different weights, shapes and constructions of bullets, and you can vary seating depth to best suit your chamber.

Then you can combine all of these components into infinite variations. How far you want to go with trying different combinations depends on your goal. If all you want to do is shoot a whitetail from your tree stand, it’s pretty simple. The loading manuals are full of tried-and-true recipes, so just pick a bullet you trust and mate it with a “medium” load. You should get minute-of-deer accuracy.

If your goal is maximum velocity, then you’re going to vary powders, working up slowly, checking cases and using a chronograph. If your goal is maximum accuracy, then you’ll eventually vary all four components, and you’ll probably invest in some more advanced equipment along the way.

And then there’s the cartridge itself. The more popular the round, the greater the selection of factory ammo—and thus the greater chance that your rifle will approach its optimal performance with off-the-shelf fodder. The less popular the cartridge, the smaller the selection of factory loads—and thus a lesser likelihood that factory ammo will allow your rifle to really strut its stuff.


Some of my perennial favorites are covered by just a couple of factory loads. These include the .264 Win. Mag., .300 H&H, 8mm Rem. Mag., .358 Win. and .350 Rem. Mag. Available factory loads don’t realize their potential. They are handloaders’ cartridges.

And with obsolete cartridges and non-standard or wildcat cartridges, you’re either going to have to handload for them yourself or turn to a custom loading company. Obsolete isn’t necessarily a matter of age. Not yet 20 years old, the three Winchester Super Short Magnum cartridges are already obsolete—as in, there is no factory ammo available.

With some of these rounds—whether unpopular factory offerings, wildcats or obsolete cartridges—the first problem is brass. The second is reloading dies. And the third is bullets.


Fortunately, few cartridges have totally unique case dimensions. Most centerfire cartridges were created from a parent case and can be formed from an existing case. Dimensions are known, so die manufacturers can make them.

Most bullet diameters are more or less standard. In the case of blackpowder cartridges, casting your own may be the best option, and bullet molds are available or can be made to order.

Availability is better than ever across the cartridge spectrum. I started reloading for the big Nitro Express cartridges before new Boxer-primed cases existed. I used old, hoarded Kynoch cases, and Jack Lott taught me how to load with Berdan primers.

Later, I had a .318 Westley Richards—when there was no new brass and no .330-inch bullets. Brass can be made by shortening and sizing .30-06 cases. The bullet problem was solved by swaging down .338 bullets. Bottom line: Where there’s a will there’s usually a way, but the more offbeat the cartridge the greater the hassle.

For every shooter who has a .280 Ackley or .475 Turnbull, there are hundreds who shoot .270s and .30-06s—where the imperative to handload is thus not nearly so strong with popular cartridges. On the other hand, you’d go broke if you endeavored to try every single one of the hundreds of factory .30-06 loads. At the tail end you’d have stacks of partial boxes, and you might shoot out your barrel before you find the factory load your rifle likes best.

Handloading is an obvious answer. You pick the components and fiddle with them to your heart’s content. Most of us probably start with a specific bullet we wish to use.

If accuracy is a primary goal, then we might start with a Berger VLD, Hornady ELD or Sierra MatchKing. In hunting bullets the world is your oyster, as there are scads of them—from premium offerings to “plain old bullets,” which still work pretty darned well.

Geography can play a part in this as well. For example, “lead free” zones are becoming more common. I’m perfectly happy with Barnes X, Hornady GMX and other non-lead hunting bullets, but these bullets are often loaded only in the more popular cartridges. If you must use non-lead bullets and they’re not offered in your cartridge, you’ll need to handload.

In Central California we’re in the condor zone and must use non-lead bullets. I acquired a vintage Savage 99 in .300 Savage for a story, and I wanted to shoot some wild hogs with it. There aren’t any non-lead factory loads, and I didn’t have dies. Since I didn’t intend to keep the rifle, I had a colleague —  Phil Massaro of Massaro Ballistics Laboratories — build up a load with the 165-grain Hornady GMX and went hunting. If I had made the decision to keep the rifle, I would’ve simply bought dies and added them to my stack of die sets, many of which are for obscure cartridges.

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Then we look at propellants. Most of us have old favorites, but there are so many new propellants that it’s worth a look at a current manual. Some manuals offer recommendations — like “most accurate powder tested” — and all give velocities. Keep in mind, however, that loading manuals show results in just one test barrel.

Most of us will initially use whatever cases we have, likewise primers. Down the road these can be switched around, but don’t mix them up. For the moment, we have enough experimenting to start with just by varying the powder charge. I usually work up in half-grain increments, loading just enough for a couple of groups per load.

Usually, the best accuracy is reached before you get to the highest velocity—but not always. Seating depth is another area for simple experimentation. Seating just off the rifling’s lands often provides best accuracy—but not always. Sometimes they need more jump.

As a hunter, I usually load for the best combination of bullet performance and velocity with accuracy I am satisfied with. If accuracy is the primary goal, the search widens and is endless. Understand, however, that improvements in accuracy are usually incremental and rarely exponential. No matter what you do, it is unlikely you’ll turn a rifle averaging 1.5-inch groups into half-m.o.a.

However, many handloading procedures will help wring those last increments of accuracy from your barrel.

Some finicky handloaders perform these procedures as a matter of course, while many others follow the most basic procedures. You will trim your cases to consistent, proper length. But manufacturing tolerances vary, so do you weigh your cases and bullets? Do you trust your powder dispenser, or do you weigh every charge to last tenth? Do you clean your primer pockets? Have you tried neck-sizing only, and have you considered match or competition dies?

None of these steps are essential to ensure handloads that are as good as anything you can buy. But if you want loads that are better than store-bought, then you’ve got some work ahead of you. And in the accuracy game, that work is never quite complete.


Bill aka the Graybeard
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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2020, 01:01:01 PM »
Just me- if things were like they are now
back when I started reloading, I wouldn't
have ever invested all I have, and I would
have found satisfactory factory loads and
bought cases of each for each respective
firearm.
Since I've started, there has been several
powders and numerous bullets that I used
to work up ideal loads for different firearms
and the powders and bullets are now obsolete
and are no longer available, and here I am more
or less SOL. I'd as soon have a ready supply
of usable accurate ammo than to have to
start at the bottom again and try to cover
ground already covered with new powders
and bullets. To me, it's only fun up to a point.
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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2020, 01:18:44 PM »
Just me- if things were like they are now
back when I started reloading, I wouldn't
have ever invested all I have, and I would
have found satisfactory factory loads and
bought cases of each for each respective
firearm.
Since I've started, there has been several
powders and numerous bullets that I used
to work up ideal loads for different firearms
and the powders and bullets are now obsolete
and are no longer available, and here I am more
or less SOL. I'd as soon have a ready supply
of usable accurate ammo than to have to
start at the bottom again and try to cover
ground already covered with new powders
and bullets. To me, it's only fun up to a point.
I totally agree ,  I would have been time & money ahead if I had spent on loaded factory ammo instead of reloading  equipment & componets .

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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2020, 03:29:34 PM »
I guess I was just naive.
I didn't realize that the manufacturers
would just sh*tcan a time tested powder
or bullet and leave their customer out
on a limb.  I realized that if people like
me are buying an old reliable product
they've been selling for 40 years, well
they won't sell as many of the new and
improved product,  and folks will be
buying more and more as they try to
work up loads for whatever.


Many American companies were started
by interested hobbyists that possessed
the skill to begin manufacturing a product
for sale to the masses,  but most have
passed into the hands of professional
bean counters and pencil pushers whose
product knowledge doesn't extend beyond
the sales report printouts and projections
they read daily.
Sad world today.
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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2020, 11:51:07 PM »
If you are "satisfied" with factory loads that give your rifle "minute of deer", then go forth, pay their premium, and, imo, wound deer - they'll die eventually - but will taste like carp.

As a Meat hunter, Dead Right There (DRT), when the animal didn't even know it was being hunted, delivers non-gamey table fare.  It is certain that the "Primordial Soup" of chemicals released into the meat during "shock and awe" in its adrenaline laced run away from danger and whatever hurt it, isn't going to enhance the taste.

Putting game down instantly, DRT, with target practiced confidence using the bullet of one's choosing and carefully crafted components is satisfying and acknowledges a deserved respect for the life it has taken.


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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2020, 12:29:15 AM »
well I guess in the big picture if you looked at my loading room youd about know I didn't save much money. That said if I had to buy factory ammo I wouldn't be the gun nut I am today. Id probably have a half dozen guns and be spending my extra money on Harleys or boats or snowmobiles. Reloading is a hobby. Its like tying flys or building things out of wood. Theres pride in hunting and killing with something you made your self that non handloader just don't understand. It allows me to fuel my other hobbys. Guns and hunting and shooting.

 Then when shortages and scares come along like last week when my nephew came over to gets some 9s because he cant even find them to buy in the stores I have THOUSANDS of them ready to shoot. Same goes for casting. If I had to buy bullets at 30 bucks a 100 id still probably shoot but it would be maybe once ever two weeks instead of 3 or 4 days a week. For sure if I had to buy factory ammo there would be NO 9s 40s or 45s in the house. When I got out I go out with at least 300 rounds of ammo. So 6 boxes of factory ammo is a slow day for me. if I had to open my wallet to pay a 120 bucks for that ammo 4 times a week id have to eat grass. Land owner made another real good point. Id bet that 95 percent of the truly good shooters are handloaders just because of those points. You don't learn to shoot shooting 50 rounds a month. Trigger control, breathing and sight alignment contrary to what some think are learned skills. There are no naturaly talented shooters even though some like to make that claim. Yup anyone can shoot a deer with there 3030 using corelocks at 50 yards. Move to 500 and give them a 300 mag and watch the deer run off missed or most likely wounded. Same with handguns. Give someone a single six, sit them on the bench and put beer cans at 10 yards and they think there doc holiday. Give the same guy a 44 mag make him stand on his own two feet and shoot beer cans at 25 yards and have yourself a good chuckle.

 It makes me cringe to think that guys go out and buy some cannon of a handgun and a couple boxes of factory ammo and go out and think there ready to kill deer. I even had one guy tell me there was no need to sight in his tarus raging bull because the factory sighted it in and he shot it at a propane tank behind his house and had no problem hitting it.

I guess I could take up basket weaving or hitting those golf thingys with a stick instead. Maybe get myself a pair of dockers and a slick pink shirt to do it in!!! No thanks ill sling lead till I cant walk and probably even have someone wheel me out in a wheel chair to the loading room and crank out ammo for the grandkids to shoot if I cant.
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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #6 on: July 22, 2020, 12:28:50 AM »
I shoot enough (or did until my back betrayed me) that my equipment has long since paid for itself. Casting my own was a big part of that....once you have everything else, the bullet is the expensive non-reusable part. Same true of shotshells and shot, especially since the price of chilled shot has tripled or quadrupled over the last few years. If you are shooting more than five thousand shells a year and have the time, a shotmaker will save you money.
Time is the one big problem with reloading. If you are shooting thousands of. Rifle and pistol rounds every year and another few thousand shotshells....you are busy at the press all of the time, even with a progressive unit.
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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #7 on: July 22, 2020, 12:34:37 AM »
Reloading is, after all, a hobby with remarkable attributes, SELF DEFENSE being prominent and foremost, though I started for the sole purpose of building a better and more accurate round for HUNTING MEAT.

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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2020, 11:40:15 PM »
Ya pete day doesn't go buy when im not in the loading room for at least an hour or two either loading or casting. But im retired. Its that or sit and watch tv. I do remember the old days when I got up at 4am so that I could cast a pot of bullets before work or load 300 rounds to go shooting that night.
I shoot enough (or did until my back betrayed me) that my equipment has long since paid for itself. Casting my own was a big part of that....once you have everything else, the bullet is the expensive non-reusable part. Same true of shotshells and shot, especially since the price of chilled shot has tripled or quadrupled over the last few years. If you are shooting more than five thousand shells a year and have the time, a shotmaker will save you money.
Time is the one big problem with reloading. If you are shooting thousands of. Rifle and pistol rounds every year and another few thousand shotshells....you are busy at the press all of the time, even with a progressive unit.
Pete
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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2020, 11:32:52 PM »
Factory ammo is all good and well if you have only have guns in mainstream calibers.  Toss in a few odd ball rounds and it's a whole other can of worms.  Have you checked the price on 7.7x58 Arisaka, 7.5 Swiss or even .45-70?  How many still have and shoot .250 Savage or 7mm Waters...  For those of use that have and love our oddball guns, hand loads are a necessity.

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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2020, 03:08:49 PM »
Reloading Ammo – Why?

Because I can.  Like why not?
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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #11 on: August 02, 2020, 01:28:37 AM »
yup why any gun owner that actually shoots wouldn't reload is a better question.
Reloading Ammo – Why?

Because I can.  Like why not?
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Re: Reloading Ammo – Why?
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2020, 01:33:23 AM »
I helped start the next generation of reloaders yesterday. A kid (not a kid 32) down the road wanted to learn how it was done so I agreed to help him get started. Five hours later I have a lot of 6.5 Grendel test loads waiting evaluation and he has the basics down pat. I think he liked reloading. He said it was relaxing kinda' like fishing, and I have to agree.
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