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WHY YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT GUN LAWS IN COMMIEFORNIA
« on: October 14, 2020, 12:26:01 AM »
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BY DAVID REEDER    OCTOBER 7, 2020



News of new and/or overreaching gun restrictions out of California is commonplace. We’ve seen mandatory modifications to slow down reloading, bans on how many rounds those eternal capacity assault massacre mags can hold, and many other poorly thought-out, unnecessary, and unconstitutional laws. The recent resumption of efforts against 80 percent lowers nationally is another example. Legislation, lawsuits, and petitions along these lines are so frequent and so expected of “The Golden State” that many folks from “non-occupied states” often use the term Commiefornia to discuss them.

That’s assuming they discuss it all.

The reaction to such news in many if not most pro-gun circles is predictably lackluster, if not scornful. Because it’s California. *scoff*

Thing is, that’s precisely the reason why we should all be paying attention. It’s California.



California is suing the ATF over 80% frames and receivers like the ones made by 80 Percent Arms. The current AG has reported sued the feds over a hundred times. That volume of fire will very likely inspire similar efforts in other places.

Yes, it’s California. Yes, they have a history of being anti-gun and overwhelmingly liberal across all parts of the states. So what? The fate of gun laws there matters to all of us.

Flippant, often poorly informed,” remarks about “Commiefornia” and suggestions like “if Californians don’t like it they should move” are short-sighted and misguided, and here’s why: what happens there does impact the rest of the country. A lot. It may not be in an obvious or overt way, but it is there, and it’s no damn good for the rest of us.

One big reason we should be concerned is because of California’s “Persuasive Authority“. Remember that phrase — you’ll see it again shortly.

Maybe you don’t live in “Commiefornia”. Perhaps you don’t care about Duncan v. Becerra. That’s California’s problem!

Fair enough. I understand why you might feel that way. But…

Do you live in Alaska perhaps, or Arizona?

What about Hawaii, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, or Washington?

‘Cuz all of those states fall under the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit. Anything the Ninth Circuit rules on is binding on the federal trial courts (called the district courts) when it comes to lawsuits brought before them in those states).

In conversational terms (not a strictly legal one like Stare Decisis, which I had to Google and can’t even pronounce) precedent. That is a term anyone who watches Law & Order has heard.



Unlikely as it might be that Arizona or Idaho take a buggering on firearms, it could happen.And it did happen, with a ruling from the Ninth Circuit upholding an assault weapons ban, guess what?

It’s now in your state too.

So, do you honestly think the Fourth Circuit might not take Ninth Circuit decisions into account if they’re dealing with a gun-related (well, or any) matter in Maryland? If you thought the answer was no, you’d be wrong. That brings us back to “Persuasive Authority”.

Essentially, it’s the influence of one court’s ruling on another. A Ninth Circuit ruling might not be binding on the Fourth Circuit, but it could certainly be used to persuade the courts to take a certain position.

Think attorneys and justices working in the Supreme Court of New Jersey don’t pay attention to what happens in California’s Superior Courts of San Francisco and Los Angeles?

 

The Judicial system and persuasive authority


The flag of Commiefornia, available in decals, patches, and shirts – but unfortunately, not always to be worn in protest. It’s a term often used in mockery.

Let me give you a specific What-If that could demonstrate the potential impact of a California court ruling were they to prevail all the way up through the appeals process.

Thanks to Judge Benitez the prohibition of “large-capacity magazines” was defeated (sorta). More accurately, it was “preliminarily enjoined”, meaning it could no longer be enforced — at least while the merits of the case went through the remaining proceedings. That order was appealed by the California Attorney General to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. There, Judge Kenneth Lee authored an opinion that, like that of Benitez before, was good for people who support the Second Amendment, to wit: he found that gun owners would likely prevail on claims that the large capacity ban violated the Second Amendment. He upheld the grant of the injunction.

Now (as of this writing), gun owners are waiting to see if they’ll have to suffer through another round of drama thanks to the California AG’s August petition for a review of the decision.

Ideally, that petition will be rejected, or if there is a review it will again come out in favor of the Second Amendment.

But what if it doesn’t?

Remember, the language used by both Judges Benitez and Lee focused a great deal of attention on the “fundamental right to self-defense”. Statements and arguments made in support of the fundamental right to self-defense are very often tied to the “defense of hearth and home”, which is a critical phrase used in the Heller argument.

In fact, I’d argue it was the District of Columbia v. Heller that turned things around for much of the country with regard to concealed carry, open carry, and ultimately constitutional carry.

 
What if the mag ban was ultimately upheld and enforced and then was subsequently used to support legislation or executive action contrary to the Heller case?
Think the BATFE wouldn’t make some unilateral half-assed “determination” based on such a decision?

You saw what just happened with the Q Honey Badger, right?


There might not always be a Roger Benitez on the court bench and Matlock is dead. We have to do more than talk and we need to do more to support the affected jurisdictions.

Other states follow trends and precedents set by “Commiefornia”. We’ve seen it happen with environmental laws. We’ve seen it more recently with data protection laws.

That’s why you should care about what happens in California, let alone the ethical need to stand with the Californians under the thumb of such contrary and ill-advised (not to mention unconstitutional) laws: the ones that affect California legal magazines and Cali compliant guns (and probably more besides.

I hear people say, “Free men don’t ask permission.” I see bumper stickers that say “…from my cold dead hands.”

What about your neighbor’s hands? Or your friends or family members in “Commiefornia” — should they have to ask permission? Please don’t say they “should just move.” That’s myopic, borderline moronic, and in most cases impractical anyway. I can say moronic ‘cuz I used to think that way.

Talk is cheap. So are MOLON LABE bumper stickers.



It takes a lot more effort to help our people in the occupied zones. It takes no little money (and moral support) to support one of the organizations fighting the civil battles.

But it needs to be done.

Here is how you can start. You can continue by supporting California gun-owners instead of mocking or discounting them.

 

JOIN FIREARMS POLICY COALITION
California Rifle & Pistol Association (on Facebook)
San Diego County Gun Owners (on Facebook)
California Gun Rights Foundation
Gun Owners of California
 
See also:
Duncan v. Becerra
Kolbe v. Hogan
Caetano v. State of Massachusetts
District of Columbia v. Heller
Adam Kraut on social
John Dillon on social
 

P.S. You can also click here and shop at the Warehouse and help me keep my job!
 

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That’s it for today. Go forth and conquer.

DR


David Reeder


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Re: WHY YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT GUN LAWS IN COMMIEFORNIA
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2020, 03:42:40 AM »
Some of the more conservative gun owning people in CA.who own big boats have moved all of they're guns out to those boats. Where most of those boats are moored offshore. I don't know if that would help them very much though. They are still subject to search and seizure even out there.

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Re: WHY YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT GUN LAWS IN COMMIEFORNIA
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2020, 12:59:33 PM »
Some of the more conservative gun owning people in CA.who own big boats have moved all of they're guns out to those boats. Where most of those boats are moored offshore. I don't know if that would help them very much though. They are still subject to search and seizure even out there.

If so, I guess they would need to be AT LEAST 3 miles offshore (maybe more, 12 or ??).  That's a long way out on the West coast where the water gets deep very fast and the surface action can be intense.  My guess is they are putting them on their boats and counting on them being VERY RARELY searched.  One plus side from "industry" is some of the work arounds they came up with on AR type platforms.  I like the AR platform as a general shooter even without high capacity mags.  Some of the "California specials" I've seen are really good with the only difference being the speed of reloads; which is not really a problem for me at my age.   

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Re: WHY YOU SHOULD CARE ABOUT GUN LAWS IN COMMIEFORNIA
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2020, 03:45:53 PM »
I care but living in Oregon, it's all I can do to have any effect here.  I don't see what I can do about Kalifornia.

Tony