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'I'd Much Rather Be in Florida': Focusing on the Bright Side in the Sunshine State

MIAMI — Other than New York, no big city in the United States has been struggling with more coronavirus cases in recent weeks than Miami. But you would hardly know that if you lived here.

Spring breakers flock to the beaches. Cars cram the highways. Weekend restaurant reservations have almost become necessary again. Banners on Miami Beach read “Vacation responsibly,” the subtext being, Of course you’re going to vacation.

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Much of life seems normal, and not just because of the return of Florida’s winter tourism season, which was cut short last year a few weeks into the pandemic.

Florida reopened months before much of the rest of the nation, which only in recent days has begun to emerge from the better part of a year under lockdown. Live music returned this weekend to the bars of New Orleans. Crowds were pouring into restaurants in Atlanta and Kansas City, Missouri. Movie theaters in California were poised to open their doors soon.

Texas reopened this past week from one side of the state to the other, with spring breakers reveling on South Padre Island. Playgrounds are packed in Chicago, and the Texas Rangers are preparing to fill their stadium to capacity next month for the debut of, by god, baseball season.

None of this feels particularly new in Florida, which slowed during the worst of the pandemic but only briefly closed. To the contrary, much of the state has a boomtown feel, a sense of making up for months of lost time.

Realtors cold-knock on doors looking to recruit sellers to the sizzling housing market, in part because New Yorkers and Californians keep moving in. The unemployment rate is 5.1%, compared to 9.3% in California, 8.7% in New York and 6.9% in Texas. That debate about opening schools? It came and went months ago. Children have been in classrooms since the fall.

For better or worse, Florida’s experiment in returning to life-as-it-used-to-be offers a glimpse of what many states are likely to face in the weeks ahead as they move into the next phase of the pandemic — the part where it starts to be over.

“If you look at South Florida right now, this place is booming,” Gov. Ron DeSantis, a Republican, recently gloated. “Los Angeles isn’t booming. New York City isn’t booming.”

To call what is happening in Florida an actual boom is a stretch. Though the state was fully reopened by late September, its tourism-dependent economy remains hobbled. A $2.7 billion budget deficit will need an injection of federal stimulus money. Orange County, where Orlando is, saw the lowest tourist development tax collections for any January since 2002.

Yet in a country just coming out of the morose grip of coronavirus lockdowns, Florida feels unmistakably hot. (And not just because of global warming.)

“You can live like a human being,” DeSantis said. “You aren’t locked down. People aren’t miserable.” President Joe Biden’s new hope of getting Americans together to celebrate with their families on the Fourth of July? “We’ve been doing that for over a year in Florida,” the governor boasted.

To bask in that feeling — even if it is only that — is to ignore the heavy toll the coronavirus exacted in Florida, one that is not yet over.

More than 32,000 Floridians have died, an unthinkable cost that the state’s leaders rarely acknowledge. Miami-Dade County has averaged more than 1,000 new coronavirus cases a day over the past two weeks, one of the nation’s most serious outbreaks. And Florida is thought to have the highest concentration of B.1.1.7, the more contagious virus variant first identified in the United Kingdom.

Yet Florida’s death rate is no worse than the national average, and better than that of some states that imposed more restrictions, despite its large numbers of retirees, young partyers and tourists. Caseloads and hospitalizations across most of the state are down. The tens of thousands of people who died were in some ways the result of an unspoken grand bargain — the price paid for keeping as many people as possible employed, educated and, some Floridians would argue, sane.

“There’s no better place to have spent the pandemic than Miami,” said Patricia García, a freelance writer who moved from New York in 2017. Her 5-year-old daughter has been in school since August. She put her 1-year-old son in day care in July.

García, a 34-year-old Democrat, said she found herself unexpectedly defending DeSantis’ policies to her friends up north.

“People here, they’ve been able to work. The kids have been able to go to school,” she said. “We have this reputation in Florida of being all Florida Man and crazyland. But I’d much rather be in Florida than California, New York or Chicago.”

Florida’s approach infuriated many people. When the state did not close beaches, there was national outrage, though the decision seems obvious in retrospect, given how much safer people are outside.

Out-of-state relatives of retirees worried about the risks to their loved ones. But DeSantis made it a priority to protect the state’s many older residents, banning visitors in nursing homes until October and swiftly moving people 65 and older (and beginning Monday, 60 and older) to the front of the line for vaccines. Florida also did not allow hospitals to discharge coronavirus patients back into nursing homes, unlike New York, a policy that likely avoided more fatalities.

However, long-term care facilities still account for a third of Florida’s virus deaths, and while deaths are at their lowest levels since November, other signposts are more worrying. The number of COVID-19 patients in the critical care unit at Jackson Health, the state’s largest public hospital system, increased during one week this month by 10% before starting to decline, said Dr. Peter G. Paige, chief clinical officer. “Obviously, we have to keep our guard up,” he said.

Florida never imposed a statewide mask mandate, and the governor in September banned local governments from enforcing their own local orders. This week, DeSantis wiped out any outstanding fines related to virus restrictions, stating that most of the restrictions “have not been effective.”

Florida ranks in the lower third of states when it comes to vaccinations. The rollout has been confusing and uneven: After weeks of trying unsuccessfully to get a shot, Joan Brewer, 82, who lives in Palm Beach County, thought she had snagged an appointment at a nearby Publix grocery store — only to find after registering that the slot was in Gulf Breeze, in the Florida Panhandle.

“That’s a 9-1/2 hour drive, without stops!” she said. (She eventually got a dose at a Federal Emergency Management Agency mass vaccination site in Miami.)

Try to buy a home and the experience is frustrating for a different reason: an open house will have 30 cars parked outside. Though Florida’s population growth has slowed during the pandemic, documentary stamps, an excise tax on real estate sales, were 15% higher in January than they were a year ago. Filing fees for new corporations were 14% higher.

Alex Pis-Dudot, a real estate agent who has recently knocked on doors in the upscale Miami suburb of Coral Gables to inquire if homeowners might want to sell, said he recently contacted another agent about a house that had been listed for less than a week. She told him that 20 couples had made appointments to see it — and that the seller had already gotten an offer from an investor for $20,000 above the asking price.

“It’s a circus right now,” Pis-Dudot said.

Macchialina, a well-loved Italian restaurant on Miami Beach, closed for a few days this month after a staff member tested positive for the virus. But the restaurant has been able to operate through most of the pandemic thanks to Florida’s early reopening (and an outdoor courtyard).

During the worst of the pandemic, Macchialina laid off 25 employees. Business is still down, but “we can’t complain,” said Michael Pirolo, executive chef and owner. His brother had to permanently shutter his Brooklyn restaurant last April thanks to the long lockdown in New York.

“We kind of get this bad rap around the world for not following the rules, because we’re open,” Jacqueline Pirolo, his sister and managing partner, said of Florida. “But for the most part, our clientele that comes to dine with us follows all the rules. We’ve been able to open and to do this safely, and that’s kind of the middle ground.”

Rolando Aedo, chief operating officer for the Greater Miami Convention & Visitors Bureau, said about half of restaurant workers and 90% of hotel workers were laid off last year, a loss of about 150,000 jobs practically overnight. Now the volume of reservations on the OpenTable app is at about 97% of what it was just before the pandemic hit Florida, he said. Hotel occupancy is down nearly 20%, which is better than what industry watchers expected.

Hotels are busily booking rooms on Miami Beach, despite the city’s efforts to dissuade spring breakers from coming.

“Unfortunately, we’re getting too many people looking to get loose,” Mayor Dan Gelber said. “Letting loose is precisely what we don’t want.”

At sunset recently, couples and small groups strolled down Ocean Drive, flitting in and out of sidewalk restaurants. Nightclubs like Mango’s Tropical Cafe, a South Beach staple, remain closed. Garage parking costs a whopping $20, part of a spring break price hike.

A cluster of friends from Indiana walked off the beach last week in towels and swimsuits. “It was cold at home, and we were trying to have a good time,” said Alli Hahn, 22, a college senior.

They found round-trip plane tickets for $96 and a cheap Airbnb rental. So far, it has been a subdued getaway. Police officers are enforcing a ban on beach drinking. Curfew is at midnight.

But it’s Florida, and it’s spring. “After a full year, I just needed to get away,” said Christine Gordon, 22.

A sign nearby reminded them to “wear a mask at all times.” None of them did.
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves."

---- William Pitt (the Younger), Speech in the House of Commons, November 18, 1783

Offline Bob Riebe

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The mask scam was a combined placebo , population mind control thing, no more, no less.

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Twice, I have been informed by my primary care that a vaccine for covid is available for me. Twice I have declined. I wear a mask only if I have little choice to shop at a particular place. We have been told so many lies by our Government stooges at State and Federal level, that anything they say, is questionable at best, and a damn lie generally.

Today, I see where Marvin Haggler, one of the greatest middleweight fighters ever, has died of natural causes. According to Thomas Hearn another great Middleweight, told the story before Haggler died, that he was in ICU from complications from the Vaccine, and asked for prayers for Haggler and his family. I have heard many other stories about late negative reactions from the shot, and even deaths related to it.What is the truth? And who knows it?
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Through this whole Covid 19 thing, I don't personally know anyone who actually had the virus.  I haven't done anything different than I've always done--except wear a mask into stores, etc. where they are required.  My wife and I still do just about everything we used to do with a few minor exceptions.  In this past year we have attented large family dinners and stay-overs where there were a bunch of people that I don't even know.  For all of that I am thankful for whatever good luck or guardian angel that was watching out for us.

In a normal winter I usually expect to get at least a couple of unpleasant colds, or even a touch of flu.  This winter neither my wife, nor myself have been ill.  We both had our normal flu shots along with a few other shots the HMO said we needed.  All of this makes me wonder what the heck those who have caught the Covid have been doing. 

I'm probably on a different page when it comes to the schools being closed down.  I have long been one who believes that kids are walking germ factories and I haven't heard of any reason why the Covid should be the exception, but who knows.  I also do not quite buy into the theory that kids are suffering from not being able to attend regular school classes.  The schools around here issued Chrome Books to all the students and they do their learning on-line.  Well that is what they are supposed to do, but I doubt they are sticking to any hard discipline about it.  Here, I have to side slightly with the teachers who seem very reluctant to resume regular classes with their germ factories--er--I mean students.  I'm pretty sure that I would have been more than delighted to not have to go to school at least for a good while.  I found most of the stupid crap we were fed in school was either boring, or irrelevant and I was pretty much a straight "A" student.  I did enjoy college and tech schools though.

So ole Joe Obiden is suggesting that if we all follow his dick-tates, we might someday be able to get back to our regular lives.  Right!!
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Mandatory mask wearing is "pre-conditioning" for the next step in "mandatory" this, and "mandatory" that.
Millions have taken their shots, and continue to mask up. Those folks are ready for the next phase.
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My next door neighbors both got covid supposedly. She has a pacemaker, asthma, and is obese. He gets the flu every year regardless of a flu shot or not. His symptoms were a lot worse than hers. He and she both said it felt no different than the flu both seem to get each and every year. Like others I keep getting calls from the VA and I keep telling them no thanks. I know in the future the wife and me will probably feel the effects if we have to fly somewhere and the airlines require a vacs to get on the plane. Time will tell.

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My wife and I wear our masks into stores that require we wear them simply to keep them from being closed by our little Hitler wantabe or fined $5000 a day for noncompliance. We have attended a family reunion during the height of this mess last summer and a mask was not seen by anyone during the 3 1/2 days we were together and no one came down with covid following the get-to-gather. The four generations of my immediate family have continued to do as we have always done and that involves close and frequent contact and none of us have had covid since it has been know what it is. My wife and I got a flu shot last November as we always do. My wife had a slight cold back in January and I have had nothing except my ordinary, all the time, allergy problems I have dealt with all my life. No covid shots for us.

I have three great grand daughters that did on-line school. All three have had problems and and a failing grade in one subject. One hour a day, four days a week, listening to a teacher for about forty-five minutes a day does not work. There wer frequent equipment problems that meant either no hour or only part of an hour almost every week that made things even worse. All three have been attending school four days a week at a school set up by a local church for a while now. The oldest, a seventh grader, just got her first report card which consisted of all "A"s now that she has one on one help. The other two haven't seen a report card yet.  Our county just hit the governor's  so called green status and the state's schools are opening up for business this morning. We were 48th in the nation in quality of education before covid and are now dead last in the nation. We were forty-sixth and showing improvement when the current administration took over and threw out the old system because teachers were held to some accountability and did not like that. I'm glad that I didn't have to go to school in NM in the last thirty years because it has been a mess and has gotten steadily worse.

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Mandatory mask wearing is "pre-conditioning" for the next step in "mandatory" this, and "mandatory" that.
Millions have taken their shots, and continue to mask up. Those folks are ready for the next phase.

I agree with this completely. It was to see how easily the sheep would obey.  Soon it will be loading people into cattle cars and telling them they are being moved to a covid safe camp.
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Mandatory mask wearing is "pre-conditioning" for the next step in "mandatory" this, and "mandatory" that.
Millions have taken their shots, and continue to mask up. Those folks are ready for the next phase.

I agree with this completely. It was to see how easily the sheep would obey.  Soon it will be loading people into cattle cars and telling them they are being moved to a covid safe camp.

Yes and they will have to take a shower, it's mandatory. Oh, pay no attention to those smoke stacks over there.

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Mandatory mask wearing is "pre-conditioning" for the next step in "mandatory" this, and "mandatory" that.
Millions have taken their shots, and continue to mask up. Those folks are ready for the next phase.
I was genuinely surprised how quickly most complied. Sad. I drove past a sheriff on my street when we were all supposed to be locked down. He was looking at me as if he were gut shot. Must have been one of the few liberal ones...

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Mandatory mask wearing is "pre-conditioning" for the next step in "mandatory" this, and "mandatory" that.
Millions have taken their shots, and continue to mask up. Those folks are ready for the next phase.

Absolutely.
Here, especially the Twin Cities the sheeple are all nicely penned up.
Up here, I see more women without masks than men, although at the hardware stores, some dudes do not have them.

We went out for fish buffet last Friday at a semi-foo foo restaurant (fried Cod was great) went in without a mask, seating -- I could have reached out and touched the family at the table near us, but the waitress said you must wear a mask when going to the buffet.
We did not have any so she got us some; I put it on for the first serving, well it was on my chin, had it hanging from one ear second time around and did not bother with it at all the third time.
No one said anything.
Good fish though, and I had some Hawaii Beer they had on tap, darn good beer.