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Offline missed_shot

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« on: February 26, 2004, 07:05:09 AM »
Could someone tell me about the recoil of the following cartridges  38/55,
375 and 45/70 . in a T/C or contender. I am familiar to the recoil of a 44 mag. so that may be used as a comparison. thanks :lol:
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« Reply #1 on: February 26, 2004, 09:08:03 AM »
I have a 375 Hunter 12". The recoil is like a hot 44 Mag. I just got a 45-70 gov. I will let you know how it is. Steve.
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« Reply #2 on: February 26, 2004, 09:58:38 AM »
Firing 405 grain factory .45-70 loads in the pistol gives a hand-numbing violent twist as well as high muzzle rise.  I'd estimate it to be twice that of factory 240 grain .44 Mag loads.  500 grain loads kick even more.

The .45-70 kicks so much due to it's heavy bullet and the lefthand twist rifling needed to torque the pistol INTO the hand during firing. The same gun with shoulder stock will likely feel like something intended to hurt your shoulder.  I'd estimate it to be too light to be an effective carbine.

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« Reply #3 on: February 26, 2004, 11:54:47 AM »
My opinion: you'd be happier with an Encore frame for the 45/70, especially in a pistol. Can't speak to the 38/55 or 375.
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« Reply #4 on: February 26, 2004, 12:01:37 PM »
I have to agree with TeamNelson. Also if you intend to load a little hot you know the Encore is built for it. I have a Contender in 444 Marlin and it is a handful. I do have concerns with high pressure loads. I keep my reloads at the mid level pressures, just to stay on the safe side.  :D
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« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2004, 01:47:42 PM »
I have an unbraked 375 Super 14 and a 10" unbraked 44 mag.  The recoil of these two is very similiar with a 375 being maybe a tad heavier.
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« Reply #6 on: February 26, 2004, 02:42:35 PM »
Hey missed shot check your pm.
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« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2004, 12:17:36 AM »
Estimating the 2 pistol weigh the same with scope. And estimating powder and speed using a loading manual as reference. A 44/240@ 1280fps recoil is 12.6 fps/9.6 ftlbs. The 45-70/300@1465fps recoil is 23 fps/32.8 ftlbs. It is hard to get an accurate fix without knowing actual charge weight and velocity. But those figures are close enough for comparision.
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« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2004, 01:06:55 AM »
I have been shooting the 45-70 in a Contender for about 15 years....300-350gr'ers...1350-1550fps.  My first barrel was a 16" unbraked and have since gotten a 14" hunter barrel w/ factory brake.  I still remember(remembering anything is quite a feat for me anymore) the first time I fired it.  Not knowing what to expect, I decided to shoot the barrel as a carbine and bolted on the stock.  Shot three(3) rounds and quit...that was all I could take.  My 45-70 was over for me.  Later same day, I was packing up to leave range and there layed the 45-70. I had to try it just once...as a pistol...bolted on the grip...fired one round...not too bad...fired again...HEY this is fun...a love afair eversince.  BUT, have not and will not shoot again as carbine.  Of course, we've got to realize, my carbine w/ 16" barrel weighs a little over half of what Cris's Encore rifle does too. But if you gave me mine back and made me shoot it, I'm not sure which end I would hold on to.  14" Hunter barrel is a whole 'nother story but I've rambled too much already.  GOOD SHOOTIN', WALT  :)  :)  :)
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« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2004, 06:33:49 AM »
Recoil is hard to determine through someone else's hands. Case in point - I have been behind the trigger of a 14" 45-70 with muzzle brake on a Contender frame. I was slightly skeptical before the first trigger squeeze, but after half a dozen more rounds I was enjoying myself. A note of interest - this frame carried Rynite grips, which my hands fit as though they were custom made for me. I truly believe ones' grip and style of shooting (how the grip is held) has a strong bearing on felt recoil, and where that recoil is transmitted to(wrists, palms, web of thumb/forefinger).
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« Reply #10 on: February 27, 2004, 08:37:14 AM »
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Estimating the 2 pistol weigh the same with scope. And estimating powder and speed using a loading manual as reference. A 44/240@ 1280fps recoil is 12.6 fps/9.6 ftlbs. The 45-70/300@1465fps recoil is 23 fps/32.8 ftlbs. It is hard to get an accurate fix without knowing actual charge weight and velocity. But those figures are close enough for comparision.


Based on the above, no matter how you hold it, you still have to compensate for an additional 23.2 ftlbs when comparing the 2 calibers. I've fired 45/70 through a Marlin 1895G, and part of the fun is the kick, as sick as that sounds.
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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2004, 10:24:29 PM »
Off hand , no problem. But if you're set in deep off a bench watch them elbows. A good stiff load can leave yer elbows pretty bruised.
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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2004, 08:40:56 AM »
I have shot my 45/70 14in barrel w/comp with 300 grain and found it  more enjoyable and easier to handle then uncompansated 44 mag 16 in barrel
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