Air Force revises physical fitness standards.

[ironglows]

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  Normally, I would say..."I don't expect the Army or Marines to soon follow."

   ...But hey, the Obidenites have already screwed up the military plenty already.. so I won't try to predict..

   https://www.foxnews.com/politics/air-force-revises-physical-fitness-test-to-allow-walking-planks

[Lloyd Smale]

problem is today the only exercise kids get is there fingers tapping on there phones and flapping there jaws. Only time you might get one to run is if his phone dies and he needs a charger.

[JD]

"What goes around comes around"
Late 70's thru about '92-3 the test consisted of only the 1.5 mile run or a 1 mile (?)walk.
The time limit for 20-30 yr olds was about 9 minutes. Never did the walk because i easily figured out it was much easier to run in less than 9 than walking in 15 minutes.

JD

[ironglows]

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  This isn't the entire fitness test, is it?  Back when I served there was a whole routine of exercises we had to complete.

  As I recall, to max out, part of it was 75 sit ups, 75 pushups, 55 jumping Jacks.. along with pull ups etc. ... all done to a stop watch..

[Mule 11]

To ace ours it was 3 miles in 18 minutes, 80 sit-ups in 2 minutes and 20 pull-ups. Best I did was a score of 285. Never aced it... 100 points for each. Total 300. Wish I could do that today.

[ironglows]

To ace ours it was 3 miles in 18 minutes, 80 sit-ups in 2 minutes and 20 pull-ups. Best I did was a score of 285. Never aced it... 100 points for each. Total 300. Wish I could do that today.

   Were you Army or Marines?

[Mule 11]

Marine.

[ironglows]

Marine.
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   Almost had to be one or the other...thanks for your service.

[Lloyd Smale]

ours was 50 sit ups 50 pushups 10 pullups and you had to swim a 100 yards and drown proof (tread water) for 5 minutes after jumping off the high dive then jump off the high dive and take your pants off and make it into a flotation device (it can be done) and using it to stay aflot for another 5 minutes. Even that wasnt much of a challenge. Odd thing is as many people failed because they were afraid to jump off the high dive as there were that couldnt do the physical tasks and many more failed due to fear of water and not being able to swim then anything. Youd think something like that would have crossed there mind before signing up for the coast guard. Little know fact about the CG. when we were in it was said it was the toughest boot camp other then the marine corp and where the army and marine boot was 8 weeks at the time ours was 16 weeks.  So what we lacked in comparison to some numbers here we made up for my doing them twice as many days. Its 8 weeks now like the rest of them and probably a cake walk like the navy and air force.

 I went through prior service boot in the navy. It was a cake walk because we pretty much didnt have to do most of the physical stuff like running and marching. We just had to pass the physicals test that was similar to the cg but without the water stuff other then a simple swim test that you could pass dog paddling. But i saw what the navy recruits had to go through and it was a cake walk compared to the cg. My cousins kid is a retired army  gunny sergeant. He did his last 2 as a DI. He said here not even allowed to put down recruits or get in there face anymore. He said for the most part boot camp is a joke anymore. Kind of sad that at 65 i can still do any of those physical things doubled (other then the running) and some kids 18 cant even come close.

Like i said there strength is in there phone fingers and probably think they should have a video game that covers there physicals tests. Ill tell you how bad its got. My stepson was going to join the Air Force and signed up delayed enlistment because he could get an opening right away (he bailed because of a flipping liberal girlfreind) while he was on delayed enlistment for 3 months he had to go once a week to the recruiter where they would go through phyical training in a gym. I went there with them one time. there was a tech sergeant E6 that was the recruiter. I asked him why they went through this expense when theyd do the same in boot camp. He said they do it because so many of todays kids couldnt cut the requirements in boot and they had to many washouts. No doubt why the lowered these standards.   

[ironglows]

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   I can recall a couple details my grandson told me about his test as a Spec ops Marine.  they evidently swam in a pool where 100 meters was not hard to calculate.
  They had to swim out 100m and back 100m in full battle gear..he didn't say whether with rifle, then take another full gear 'wounded' Marine, and swim , dragging him to safety..another 100m.
 
  Can't recall much more..but it seems his tests were more often in full battle gear, than other troops.

  Of course all all Marines have to endure the "crucible"....  and I understand the army has a similar test.

[Lloyd Smale]

i think they all have what is suppose to be a tough first week. Just different names for it and its nothing like it was for us in the 60 and 70s when you had a di helping you along with his foot and maybe more. Now you grandson specials service training was just that special. Id about bet if anything special forces training is tougher today then it was in the 70s. What the expect out of them young men today is near superman performance. You just dont raise your hand and belong. Today just being strong and tough dont get you far like it did in the 70s. Todays operators are very intellegent people or they wouldnt be there.

[ironglows]

i think they all have what is suppose to be a tough first week. Just different names for it and its nothing like it was for us in the 60 and 70s when you had a di helping you along with his foot and maybe more. Now you grandson specials service training was just that special. Id about bet if anything special forces training is tougher today then it was in the 70s. What the expect out of them young men today is near superman performance. You just dont raise your hand and belong. Today just being strong and tough dont get you far like it did in the 70s. Todays operators are very intellegent people or they wouldnt be there.

  Yes' Spec Ops training is different.  I recall when Josh came home just before his first deployment.
   He had a split lip, about which I jokingly remarked, "what happened..martial arts practice get a bit rough?"
 
  He replied..well, yes and no.. and went on to explain.

  You see, when Spec ops train, they don't train against regulars..they train against each other.

  Rangers, MARSOC, Seals, Army special Forces etc, all train against one another... keeps them extra sharp..

  Seems he was involved in a 'hostage rescue operation'.. At Camp LeJeune..and I don't recall just who was involved..quite sure it was Rangers and Seals..

  The opposition has a 'hostage' and his team was to get the hostage back..  The only rules they had was .."no knives or guns..and no killing holds or blows."

   Seems they retrieved their hostage, but not without paying with some pain.   

  All that being said, after talking to today's Marines, I have to give a great deal of credit to a certain group of sailors.. I mean beyond the Seals.

  Hats off to the Corpsmen !  Keep in mind, the corpsman' job is to go immediately to where a Marine was just shot, moments ago..  He has to tend to the wounded, regardless what is going on around them.

  Generally speaking, the "Docs" were held in high regard by the Marines.  It must take a special kind of volunteer !