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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2021, 06:34:08 AM »
Got to  admire SpaceX.  They kept trying until they got it right.  Now they have had over 80 successful landings or orbital launches with their Falcon 9 rocket. 

NASA tried this once before, the rocket crashed and they gave up on it.  SpaceX didn't.  They studied what was wrong and finally got it down pat.  They are the ones who released this video.  They are not afraid of failure.  They keep trying. 
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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2021, 12:32:24 PM »
They did send astronauts to the ISS and returned alive. Falcon is a good rocket.
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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2021, 06:13:37 AM »
 Thomas Edison took 3000 trys for a light bulb.
Hold still while I overthink this.

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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2021, 11:57:33 AM »
Now they are building a huge stainless steel rocket in Boca Chica, Texas near Brownsville.  It will have 32 engines on the booster and be twice as powerful as Saturn V.  This booster is designed to come back and land back at the launch pad.  The steel used is made in Alabama.  Then engines currently are made in California, but they are building a new factory in Texas to make the engines for this beast.  They plan to use it to go to Mars, with or without NASA.  Musk's life goal is to colonize Mars.  His new rocket is 30' in diameter and 400' long.  It will use liquid natural gas and liquid oxygen.  They can make natural gas on Mars out of Martian frozen water in lakes they discovered and Mars' carbon dioxide atmosphere.  Mars has a 24-2/2 hour day, but takes two years to go around the sun.  It is cold like northern Alaska, but mostly desert and mountians.    Mars does have a large frozen lake in the northern hemisphere that is larger than Lake Superior, so yeah there is water. 
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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2021, 01:15:40 PM »
Interesting to watch, but I think people who would go there are nuts. :o ;D
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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2021, 07:50:01 AM »
Interesting to watch, but I think people who would go there are nuts. :o ;D

They would be recruiting mostly older people who would volunteer for a mission where they are aware it may end up being one way. The list is long, no one under 55. I would go. Then the SpaceX Starship would become a HAB. A supply ship would follow with enough for two Earth years. A Martian day is called a Sol.
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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #7 on: November 13, 2021, 12:38:00 AM »
The idea is “interesting”. The support work, the logistics, is daunting.
They have to get a crew, train them, transport them.
Make natural gas? Need equipment for that. Same for making oxygen. Need on site transport. Etc., etc.
How much can a separate supply ship carry?
And it all has to arrive on time and safely.
Quite a project.

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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #8 on: November 13, 2021, 06:44:17 AM »
A very daunting task indeed.
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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2021, 09:27:45 AM »
The idea is “interesting”. The support work, the logistics, is daunting.
They have to get a crew, train them, transport them.
Make natural gas? Need equipment for that. Same for making oxygen. Need on site transport. Etc., etc.
How much can a separate supply ship carry?
And it all has to arrive on time and safely.
Quite a project.
Ya mean trapping natural gas :D

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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2021, 03:13:42 AM »
Musks giant Starship rocket is to take 150 tons of supply each to Mars.  He plans on building 1,000's of these giant rockets, called Starship/Superheavy.  He is also taking equipment using solar power and using the Sabatier process to make his own gas on Mars.  Natural gas or Methane is one carbon and four hydrogens, CH4.  He will make it using Mar's atmosphere which is mostly carbon dioxide and Martian frozen water.  The Sabatier process, named after a French chemist, splits water into oxygen and hydrogen, and then blends the hydrogen into the carbon dioxide.  Oxygen, and methane (natural gas) come out.  This can be used for rocket fuel or other fuel, and the oxygen made for the Mars colonists to breathe. 

Anyway, saturday SpaceX launched their Falcon 9 rocket launching 51 Starlink satellites and landed the booster for the 87th time.  They are the only space company reusing their rockets causing launch costs to go down.  They launched 4 astronauts to the space station last Wednesday. 

Elon Musk is a little weird sometimes, but he is probably the smartest man alive today.  Engineer and Businessman.  He hasn't rode in his own rocket unlike Bezo's, which only goes up and comes right back down.  He is a shy guy who doesn't act like Bezo's or Branson.  He did say he will probably go to Mars when they get the colony started.  He wants to do this in his lifetime.  He lives in a 20' x 20' house at Boca Chica, Texas where they build these rockets, and basically sold all his homes and other possessions to put all his money into SpaceX.  He dones't have much cash as he doesn't take a salary at Tesla or SpaceX, as he started these companies and owns a huge amount of stock in them.  His net worth makes him the richest man in the world but cash poor.  He owns factories that make Teslas, lithium ion batteries, solar panels, rocket engines and rockets, as well as satellites.  He is moving most of them to Texas because of taxes and left leaning California. 

Oh, his Starship rockets are using stainless steel made in Alabama.  The Starship superheavy booster is going to be twice as powerful as Saturn V, and have 32 rocket engines on it.  SpaceX alone is surpassing NASA, if anything for shear lower costs alone.  He reminds me of being the Henry Ford of rockets. 
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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2021, 03:40:40 AM »
  Man, will screwup Mars just like we have Earth if or when he gets there .

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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2021, 11:05:12 AM »
  Man, will screwup Mars just like we have Earth if or when he gets there .

In the Martian Chronicles humans were leaving trash all over the place. If we do manage to build a colony, it would need a land fill.  Septic tanks and everything else associated with that. But I'm not sure that the helpful
bacteria in a spectic tank could survive on Mars.
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Re: How not to land an orbital rocket booster.
« Reply #13 on: November 15, 2021, 04:38:10 PM »
They would recycle sewage to grow plants or make fertilizer.  Mar's soil, NASA determined by one of the landers, is good for potato farming.  Just needs water.  A northern hemisphere lake on Mars is bigger than Lake Superior, but it is completely frozen and covered with red dust.  So they would have to mine the ice for water.  Anyway, Musk wants to make the first trip to Mars in 2024 or 2026 when Mars is nearest earth.  Right now he is sitting on a huge rocket at Boca Chica, Texas waiting on the FAA's approval for test launch. 

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