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Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« on: November 15, 2021, 03:17:20 AM »
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   Bjorn Lumborg, former head of Danish government's Environment Assment forum, now head of Copenhagen Consensus think tank, based in the US, takes on the dummies.
  He says yes, there is a bit of global warming, but nothing like the Greta Thunbergs of the world are saying, and nothing we cannot handle in a regular, non-panic manner..through daily improvement.

     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxWYglbtqnQ
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Re: Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2021, 03:52:29 AM »
I am all for alternative energy.  However don't throw out fossil fuels until the alternatives are phased in and costs at or near the same as fossil fuels. 

Solar panels don't kill birds but would be great in the south during the very hot afternoons in summer to help with peek air conditioning demand.  I've seen solar panels over parking lots in some Middle eastern countries at their malls.  Why aren't we doing that here?  A shady car is nice to get into after shopping in the hot summer. 

Wind, if they use the new vertical windmills to keep from killing birds could also help in the plains states, and offshore near big cities.  However keep the gas generators or coal fired plants going if the wind is not blowing or the sun is not shining. 

A lot of hydro can be produced small scale.  Like using the old mill dams where they ground wheat or corn.   Reconnect a modern water wheel with a generator.  Many I've read can feed up to 20 homes with power.  Also from what I read, it could increase water power in the US by as much as  30%. 

Storage of wind and solar is the largest expense for the alternatives.  Instead of batteries, I've read they could build giant horizontal flywheels 300' in diameter in a pit in case it flys apart.  They could be made from steel wire bundles.  A solid flywheel could crack and fly apart.  The steel wire would hold together better.  I've read that putting one of these at or near every power dam and nuclear power plant could store excess electricity during off peek hours for use later.  In theory it could increase power by 33% without even building another power plant.  Nuclear power produces over 20% of our power needs, hydro about 10%.  Adding the flywheels would increase this to 30% nuclear and about 15% hydro.  That is 45%, almost half, thereby cutting fossil fuel use.  Wind and solar, right now produce about 10%, adding flywheel storage would increase that to 15%.  That alone would drastically cut fossil fuel use.

As far as transportation goes, to me plug in hybrids would be a good transition.  The best of both, won't leave you stranded and reduce gasoline consumption.  At least this until faster charging and longer range electrics come on line at a reasonable cost. 

What the Dem's are doing trying to stop fossil fuel in it's tracks driving the cost of gas up is unreasonable.  Alternatives are not ready.  Forcing the use of traditional windmills is killing millions of birds.  It is time to stop and think, and gradually phase in alternatives, not cold turkey. 

It is also time to bring our factories back home.  How much fuel oil is used to power these container ships? 
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Re: Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2021, 04:33:38 AM »
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   They could simply replace coal fired plants as the "profitable' wind and solar farms come on line.

  Problem being, the wind and solar so far has added very little to our power supply, and don't even seem to be profitable ventures.
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Re: Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2021, 07:29:30 AM »
Wind is fickle, so there should be some type of storage for more even distribution.  Solar is best in the Southwest.  Not good when the sun doesn't shine, nor at night, so it needs storage. 

Elon Musk said we could power the entire country with a 100 mile x 100 mile grid of solar panels in the Nevada desert.  He even admits the problem is storage.  Large battery banks are expensive and prone to overheating while charging quickly.  Then there is the problem of transmission across state lines with the power.  High voltage DC is best with the least amount of resistance compared to AC, but the infrastructure to transmit it has to have approval from the Feds for crossing state lines, and the cost would be in the billions, and would have to be shared by multiple power companies. 
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Re: Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2021, 08:11:18 AM »
It still takes a lot of fossel fuel to build one electric vehicle. So the trade out doesn't even up. The battery's have always been an obstacle with electric vehicles.
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Re: Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2021, 08:53:23 AM »
And bidet and puppet handlers could care less as there goal is to crush America and the world. Fossil fuels will be used worldwide and pollute for alooonnnggg time so it really does not matter who provides them it only matters who profits from them...

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Re: Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2021, 09:02:29 AM »
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  Bjorn told how Los Angeles, as well as many other cities of the world back inthe 1970s, were suffering from a huge smog problem.  It seemed like a problem that may stop personal vehicles from being used in those cities.

  ..But then, one smart, enterprising man, came up with the catalytic converter.  Suddenly everything changed!

   He suggests that the governments of the world, just quit throwing billions of dollars at schemes like Solyndra, something even the most uninformed scientific minds knew ahead of time, would not work near as well as intended.

  He suggests that instead of throwing multi-millions after big corporations or universities..so they can spend plenty with few results.
  He suggests the govt find very promising private potential pto support, rather than do what they have been doing, spending huge sums on politically good sounding, nothing programs.

   
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Re: Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2021, 09:17:46 AM »
Government throws tons of money at things that never work. Butt. Somewhere along the line most of that money comes up missing and unaccounted for...

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Re: Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2021, 09:35:47 AM »
Government throws tons of money at things that never work. Butt. Somewhere along the line most of that money comes up missing and unaccounted for...

   Exactly; and that is what has been going on for many years.  We will need far better people in the future, than we have had for at least a centuruy in the past.
   This is exactly whatAndrezjewsky was talking about..the massively corrupt "deep state" !
   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQDEDR0JXdE
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Re: Bjorn lumborg calls "phony" on greenies..
« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2021, 09:03:14 AM »
.Note to Greta:

Dear Greta,  [/color=blue]  Over 100,000 Americans have died from  drug overdoses in the USA this year; but not many deaths from climate change, if any. Perhaps your vexations would be better expended on a more meaningful cause.
Thx.  /color]

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      Greta is like one of those old "Chatty Cathy" dolls...  Pull that string from out of her back, and she will spout
  pre-recorded phrases and slogans.

 
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