Covid and flu shot combo likely to kill those who get both

[DDZ]

TM: You want data? Why? You are not going to believe any data that is different from what you have. I looked into the sources that you have linked.....Humans are Free and Daily Expose. Neither has a reputation for accuracy or journalistic integrity. A telling criticism of Humans Are Free is from Fact Check:
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 “Everything on this website is fiction. It is not a lie and it is not fake news because it is not real.”

Why don't you look at the VAERS data? I know it doesn't suit the narrative, or the ideas of those that decided to get the vax.  Here is a link to the summary of the covid vaccines up until the first of Nov.  ONe thing that really stands out is the deaths from the covid vaccines compared to all other vaccines from 1990 until present. the deaths from the covid vaccines are double of all others in just one year.  And the CDC calls this fake vaccine safe and effective. What a joke. I guess its safe if you don't die from it, or are one of the many that are not injured from it.

https://vaersanalysis.info/2021/11/12/vaers-summary-for-covid-19-vaccines-through-11-05-2021/

[darkgael]

Mule: the source of the fact check is an organization of that name. See Factcheck.org

[darkgael]

TM: look at VAERS data?
From the VAERS website:

A report to VAERS generally does not prove that the identified vaccine(s) caused the adverse event described. It only confirms that the reported event occurred sometime after vaccine was given. No proof that the event was caused by the vaccine is required in order for VAERS to accept the report. VAERS accepts all reports without judging whether the event was caused by the vaccine.

[darkgael]

TM: your response is what i expected. You wont believe any info that I link. It is all “tainted” in some non-provable way. I am guilty of the same. I distrust the links that you provide……humans are free and Dail Expose are akin to quoting the National Star or the National Enquirer.
Y’know, i read more about people having bad reactions to the Vax on this forum than in any reality of my own experience. I knew, personally, seven people who have died unvaccinated from Covid 19. I do not know any vaccinated person who has died.

[Lloyd Smale]

Y’know, i read more about people having bad reactions to the Vax on this forum than in any reality of my own experience. I knew, personally, seven people who have died unvaccinated from Covid 19. I do not know any vaccinated person who has died.

that is the real fact. It my experience too and i believe what I see with my eyes not what some website on either side of the story shows. Most of those websites are just people wanting there 10 minutes of fame like fauchi. Most of them are politicaly motivated be they for the left or right. Bottom line is the only people i know that have die were unvacinated. Now i do know people including my own family that have got covid after being vacinated. But all 4 of those just had mild symptoms. Truth of the matter is nothing is a 100 percent. Especially with these new stains popping up all the time. That is one of the reasons i dont by into mandatory vaccines. If the shot worked a 100 percent of the time and was permanent id say the hippys on the left would have a good argument to at least making it mandatory for school kids but they dont. Its a given that we dont know if there will be long term problems arising for vacinated people either so that is enough right there to justify them having a choice. But my eyes have seen enough proof that i believe its beneficial so i got it.

Comical thing was the other day at coffee i had a guy who smokes a pack of cigarettes a day tell me that im going to have problems 20 years from now because of the vaccine. Told him his cigarettes would kill him first and i probably wont be around 2o years from now anyway. I dont think theres to many Kale and tofu eating hippies on here. Most of us do or eat or drink things we shouldnt. Things that might come back and bite us someday. Like whiskey, smoking, soda, eating meat, inhaling lead fumes ect. I know in my case my body sure hasnt been a temple for the last 65 years. My biggest complaint with all of this is its become more political then medical. It sure should cause arguments between friends on an outdoors forum. Its why i made the post a while back "does anyone shoot anymore" We should be discussing guns and hunting and fishing on here not politics and religion. Ive seen very little good come from them on here. Its drug me down in the pit. Made me say things i shouldnt. I think with the covid vax there is no right or wrong answer. Now if you want to talk politics on an outdoors forum then talk 2nd amendment rights. I dont think any of us vary to much on that. Well maybe a couple of liberals that have slipped through the cracks but even they are pretty quiet on that front. But to think your going to change someone's mind on getting the shot or which church they go too or anything else that personal with some posted link to an obscure website your smoking crack which by the way will kill you too. Anyone bought a new gun lately?

[darkgael]

Lloyd: well said.

[darkgael]

About data from PHS Scotland as reported

Fact Check-Graph comparing Scottish COVID-19 hospitalisations and deaths by vaccination status lacks key information
By Reuters Fact Check
5 MIN READ

A chart circulating on social media takes a snapshot of COVID-19 statistics in Scotland, broken down by vaccination status. The chart shows a higher total number of deaths and hospitalisations in the vaccinated group, seemingly casting doubt over the value of a vaccine, but it fails to record that the total population of vaccinated individuals in Scotland is much higher than the population of unvaccinated individuals.

Examples can be seen here , here and here .


The graph is described as showing the number of hospital admissions and deaths among those who have tested positive for COVID-19, as well as the number of new cases reported that week. The date of the figures is not specified.

The figures are plotted according to the individual’s vaccination status - unvaccinated, one dose or two doses.

Crediting the data to Public Health Scotland (PHS), it shows that there were more hospitalisations and deaths from fully vaccinated people than unvaccinated people in the week represented.

Reuters found that the cases and hospital admission figures were drawn from this PHS COVID-19 Statistical Report (here) (see page 34 and 40), and are for the week of Aug. 21-27, 2021.

Meanwhile, deaths data appears to be for the week of Aug. 12-19, 2021.

The number of deaths represented in the graph can be calculated by taking the total number of coronavirus deaths noted in a PHS COVID-19 Statistical Report published on 25 Aug. 2021 (here) (see page 39) from the total number of deaths shown in a PHS COVID-19 Statistical Report published on 1 Sept. 2021 (here) (see page 43). The deaths figures in the earlier report counted up to Aug. 12, 2021, while the report one week later recorded up to Aug. 19, 2021.

But while the data is accurate, it has been taken out of context.

PHS told Reuters that the data actually shows that vaccinated individuals are far less likely to die from COVID-19 infection than unvaccinated individuals, once you take into account the underlying population sizes and differences in the age structure of individuals who are vaccinated compared to unvaccinated.

“A higher overall number of COVID-19 related deaths among people who are vaccinated compared to those who are unvaccinated can be seen in current weekly reporting due to the fact that over 90% of individuals in Scotland are fully vaccinated against COVID-19”, it said in an email. “For those aged 50 and over, this is at almost 100%.”

For the dates referenced in the graph (here), it shows that there were 261 double vaccinated acute hospital admissions, out of 3.4 million people who had received both doses.

On the other hand, there were 153 admissions out of 1 million unvaccinated people.

This means that 8 out of every 100,000 fully vaccinated individuals were hospitalised, compared to 15 out of every 100,000 unvaccinated individuals, the PHS report says.

Similarily, it notes that there were 1,500 COVID-19 cases per 100,000 unvaccinated individuals compared to 420 COVID-19 cases per 100,000 individuals vaccinated with two doses.

It also states that from 29 Dec. 2020 to 19 Aug. 2021, 85.1% of COVID-19 deaths were in unvaccinated individuals, while 7.6% had received one dose and 7.3% had received two doses.

VERDICT
Missing context. While the data is accurate, it compares different weeks and does not account for the differences in population size and demographics of the vaccinated versus unvaccinated groups.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work here.

Our Standards: The Thomson Reuters Trust Principles.

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[DDZ]

The data clearly shows that the fake vaccines do not do what they first said they were going to do. IN fact instead of curtailing covid the vaccines cause spikes in covid cases, and the media flat out ignores this.  As the article explained, looking at Gibralter where 99% of the people have been vaccinated, and 40% with a booster. They are having record spikes of covid cases. There are other countries with the same results. So why the drive to continue these obviously ineffective vaccines? especially with the side effects they can cause? Let alone the evidence that areas of highly vaccinated people actually cause an increase of covid cases.  Its amazing how this information that is now out there, is completely ignored by the media, and many others.     


https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/11/hard_data_shows_the_covid_vaccines_dont_work.html

[Lloyd Smale]

no one hear is claiming that there 100 percent reliable in stopping people from getting covid. What they do is keep MOST people who get it from getting very sick and dying from it. Like i posted before. Raise your hand if you know someone who wasnt vaccinated that died. Id bet everyone's hand is up. Now raise your hand if you know someone who died that had both doses even without the booster. Pretty cut and dried if you get off the internet and look with your own eyes.

[darkgael]

Lloyd: My hand has been up since you first asked.

[DDZ]

My mom died within 2 months of getting the second shot.  Have either one of you looked at the VAERS data?  Its not a lie that a lot of people have died and have been injured from the vaccine.  You can say, well people have died from other vaccines. Which is true, but not near to the extent people have died and been injured from the covid vaccines. 

[billy_56081]

no one hear is claiming that there 100 percent reliable in stopping people from getting covid. What they do is keep MOST people who get it from getting very sick and dying from it. Like i posted before. Raise your hand if you know someone who wasnt vaccinated that died. Id bet everyone's hand is up. Now raise your hand if you know someone who died that had both doses even without the booster. Pretty cut and dried if you get off the internet and look with your own eyes.

The only person I know that has died from wuflu is my father,  he was fully vaccinated.

[Buckskin]

If the vax worked so well, why is the left insisting that everyone get the shot?  The vaxed can live without fear of getting covid and dying while the rest of us croak, I would think that would be all fine and dandy with the left.  If I had confidence in the shot, I would just sit back and get my I told you so's ready...  Seems it's the working towards the other way around though...

[phalanx]

It would seem like if you were to get both of them, especially in one shot. That would put a heavy load on your immune system. Resulting in other problems.

[Dee]

The truth has been so convoluted into politics, I don't believe anybody knows the real truth.

[phalanx]

The truth has been so convoluted into politics, I don't believe anybody knows the real truth.

The right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.

[Dee]

The truth has been so convoluted into politics, I don't believe anybody knows the real truth.

The right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing.

Everybody is right, and everybody else is wrong. 

[Mule 11]

Mule: the source of the fact check is an organization of that name. See Factcheck.org

Well. I fagg checked your fagg checker and my fagg checker found yours to be center. Thing is. I will listen more from what is considered to be a conspiracy theorist, or as you would say fictitional site/individual because they state what they believe to be true. unlike the main stream which outright lies and manipulates for money and coercion. So I am guilty also...

[Lloyd Smale]

believe it or not right there is the true wisdom. just surprising who posted it. This isnt a medical thing. Hasnt been for over a year. Its a political tool used by both sides to get votes. Some buy into the waco website bs on either side. Like i said you need to put that crap away. Open your own eyes to whats around you and make the best judgment you can for yourself and your family and forget trying to look intelligent on an outdoors forum pushing your side. It actually does just the opposite. Your about as likely on here to change someones mind about that vaccine as you are getting them to change there vote come election day. 

The truth has been so convoluted into politics, I don't believe anybody knows the real truth.

[Dee]

believe it or not right there is the true wisdom. just surprising who posted it. This isnt a medical thing. Hasnt been for over a year. Its a political tool used by both sides to get votes. Some buy into the waco website bs on either side. Like i said you need to put that crap away. Open your own eyes to whats around you and make the best judgment you can for yourself and your family and forget trying to look intelligent on an outdoors forum pushing your side. It actually does just the opposite. Your about as likely on here to change someones mind about that vaccine as you are getting them to change there vote come election day. 

The truth has been so convoluted into politics, I don't believe anybody knows the real truth.

Why So Many Catholic Priests Are Pedophiles

https://www.returnofkings.com/190738/why-are-there-so-many-pedophile-priests-in-the-catholic-church

[Mule 11]

CDC funded study: covid shots have no effect on virus transmission. This article is on wnd.com and if ya fact check it the check will come back conspiracies theorist. They are a Christian run news source so they are being attacked and deplatformed.

[Dee]

The Biden Regime, and Dr Falsie believe it is their way, or the highway.
Christianity is truth, and truth is not what Biden, and Falsie are about.

[Mule 11]

Lloyd: My hand has been up since you first asked.

Mines down. Don’t know anyone who has died of covid or someone who died of a heart attack and died of covid.

[Dee]

Anybody won yet?

[orerancher]

Anybody won yet?

Just the Ones Makin Money on this Hoax....

[Lloyd Smale]

still cant ingore me can you little man. Lots of police that are pedophiles too. Maybe thats why your so hung up on it. Just trying to deflect

believe it or not right there is the true wisdom. just surprising who posted it. This isnt a medical thing. Hasnt been for over a year. Its a political tool used by both sides to get votes. Some buy into the waco website bs on either side. Like i said you need to put that crap away. Open your own eyes to whats around you and make the best judgment you can for yourself and your family and forget trying to look intelligent on an outdoors forum pushing your side. It actually does just the opposite. Your about as likely on here to change someones mind about that vaccine as you are getting them to change there vote come election day. 

The truth has been so convoluted into politics, I don't believe anybody knows the real truth.

Why So Many Catholic Priests Are Pedophiles

https://www.returnofkings.com/190738/why-are-there-so-many-pedophile-priests-in-the-catholic-church

[Dee]

still cant ingore me can you little man. Lots of police that are pedophiles too. Maybe thats why your so hung up on it. Just trying to deflect

believe it or not right there is the true wisdom. just surprising who posted it. This isnt a medical thing. Hasnt been for over a year. Its a political tool used by both sides to get votes. Some buy into the waco website bs on either side. Like i said you need to put that crap away. Open your own eyes to whats around you and make the best judgment you can for yourself and your family and forget trying to look intelligent on an outdoors forum pushing your side. It actually does just the opposite. Your about as likely on here to change someones mind about that vaccine as you are getting them to change there vote come election day. 

The truth has been so convoluted into politics, I don't believe anybody knows the real truth.

Why So Many Catholic Priests Are Pedophiles

https://www.returnofkings.com/190738/why-are-there-so-many-pedophile-priests-in-the-catholic-church

Do Catholics Worship Idols And Practice IDOLATRY

https://www.gotquestion.org/Catholic-idolatry.html

[Lloyd Smale]

do the baptists worship snakes and black lives matter