. Will sens Sinema and Manchin prevail?

[ironglow]

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    Will Sinema and Manchin go down as the two who saved the American republic ?

    The Demonrats are suggesting they would trample the filibuster rule.  I believe most of us know why the filibuster rule was applied in the first place. It was done to prevent a less cerebral house from imposing a poorly thought out "majority rule" oligharky.

  Back when somebody somewhere,hinted that Repugnicans may end the filibuster..the Demonrats made it clear that to do such a thing, would destroy the republic!  ..But today, Schumer, Pelosi and the Muslim/commie menagerie (AOCs bunch) are trying t do just that..

     Watch leading Demonrats change their presentation completely.. just like a camp of chameleons...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANT3JsLjx4A

   One question...  Were they lying then, or are they lying now ?/color

[BUGEYE]

They are lying now.
I'm praying that the filibuster stays, because if not, you can kiss the constitution goodby.

[ironglow]

They are lying now.
I'm praying that the filibuster stays, because if not, you can kiss the constitution goodby.

  That's about the truth of it, Bugeye..

   Remember back when th elate Harry Reid (D-NV) decided to change SCOTUS appointments to a simple majority vote ?  Conservatives told him they would live to regret it..but the Dems went forward and did it !

  Now thay are whining over Trump's SCOTUS appointments !  So how are they suggesting to fix it...why by destroying more of our constitutional republic.

  The explanation for such stupidity, seems to be that the demonrats look at ANY way to gain POWER, no matter how brief or how rotten..and the American people will just have to live with the long term consequences...

[DDZ]

Something equally important is that Manchin and Sinema need to stop is the Freedom to vote act that will legalize voting fraud, and assure the Marxist democrats will never lose power again. Its nothing but a national ballot harvesting bill. This bill is what socialist dumps like Venezuela and Nicaragua pass and utilize for Marxists to gain and hold power.

[Dee]

Something equally important is that Manchin and Sinema need to stop is the Freedom to vote act that will legalize voting fraud, and assure the Marxist democrats will never lose power again. Its nothing but a national ballot harvesting bill. This bill is what socialist dumps like Venezuela and Nicaragua pass and utilize for Marxists to gain and hold power.

Bingo!

[VA Rifleman]

Dems also want to manufacture er I mean “count votes” up to 10 days after the election.

One Dem strategist said words to the effect. “If we can’t replicate the 2020 voting methods, we’re f***ed.

[DDZ]

Dems also want to manufacture er I mean “count votes” up to 10 days after the election.

One Dem strategist said words to the effect. “If we can’t replicate the 2020 voting methods, we’re f***ed.

The Marxist democrats are not telling Americans what this bill entails. They are making it sound like its to stop voter suppression.  If passed, states will have to get permission from the federal government to enact any voting laws like voter ID's for instance.  Which the federal government will not do. It will basically federalize all voting. Our republic is doomed as it is, but this bill if passed will drive the last nail in the coffin of our constitutional republic.  For sure if it fails the democrats are screwed. If it passes America is screwed.   

[mcbammer]

The bill also usurps power of the States to draw their own Congressional districts.

[NWBear]

"I'm praying that the filibuster stays, because if not, you can kiss the constitution goodby."

What does the Filibuster have to do with the Constitution?

[orerancher]

The Constitution puts Limits on the Government....That Upsets You, don't It Comrade?

[Mule 11]

"I'm praying that the filibuster stays, because if not, you can kiss the constitution goodby."

What does the Filibuster have to do with the Constitution?

What does freedom and the finest country in the world have to do with unamerican leftists?
Enjoy the boot up your ass.

[BUGEYE]

"I'm praying that the filibuster stays, because if not, you can kiss the constitution goodby."

What does the Filibuster have to do with the Constitution?

They would pack the supreme court, and add D.C. and Puerta Rico as states which would immediately add four democrat senators.
And that's what the Filibuster has to do with the constitution being destroyed.

[ironglow]

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  NW asks;

    "What does the Filibuster have to do with the Constitution?"

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  THe US senate was designed to be the more deliberative and august portion of congress.  Throughout US history, the senate is the body which has protected the rights of the minority..a very important point in the considerations the original writers of our constitution.
     Perpetually known as "the greatest deliberative body in the world", destroying this feature would turn the senate into a "rubber stamp" for the more emotionally impulsive house. 

Such would make our government into nothing more than a pure democracy, something our founding fathers dearly wanted to prevent.  After all, a pure democracy is nothing more than "mob rule".

  ...And the if the democrats get their wish of allowing the most ignorant and easily persuaded people, including non-citizens to vote, our constitutional form of government is automatically thrown into a moribund state.

   This very thing was discussed during the FIRST constitutional convention..thus the connection; read below!
   
        https://www.senate.gov/history/origins.htm


     

[DDZ]

The filibuster may not be as important if we had a government that abides by the constitution. It seems of late everything is being done to make the constitution irrelevant. When was the last time any of our elected officials refereed to our form of government as a Constitutional Republic? Can't say I can remember the last time. they call it a democracy, which is nothing other than the majority voting to take away, say your right to free speech or your right to own a firearm.  A democracy is what they want, because a constitutional republic form of government keeps the power hungry mob in check.
I don't think its going to last much longer, because we are gaining a SCOTUS that makes rulings based on their believes instead of the constitution.   

[NWBear]

Why do ALL state legislative bodies pass legislation by simple MAJORITY VOTES?  Isn't this the "mob rule" warned about here???
By the way the Constitution has no provision for the filibuster, and as it is currently used it is more the suppression of debate rather than the continuation of debate.
May be State Houses should enact provisions for minority parties to block the majority party without say 60% or 2/3's of the votes, seems like there should be a lot of support for that here.

[Mule 11]

I’d say anything that goes against the constitution or bill of rights should never even be heard. Don’t these individuals swear an oath to uphold the constitution of the USA? If found to be against such oath what should be the penalty?

[DDZ]

I’d say anything that goes against the constitution or bill of rights should never even be heard. Don’t these individuals swear an oath to uphold the constitution of the USA? If found to be against such oath what should be the penalty?

Yeah they do swear an oath, but hardly any adhere to it.  So does the SCOTUS, but it seems of late their rulings are based on their own views. Today they ruled to uphold the Biden fake vaccine mandates on health care workers nationwide.   

[VA Rifleman]

A poor voyage for a ship that has 51% of its navigational instruments pointing due North while the other 49% say it’s due South.

Perhaps more consensus is a good thing for a ship of state.

[BUGEYE]

Why do ALL state legislative bodies pass legislation by simple MAJORITY VOTES?  Isn't this the "mob rule" warned about here???
By the way the Constitution has no provision for the filibuster, and as it is currently used it is more the suppression of debate rather than the continuation of debate.
May be State Houses should enact provisions for minority parties to block the majority party without say 60% or 2/3's of the votes, seems like there should be a lot of support for that here.

State legislatures are a different ball game.
They are in closer contact with the people and the people actually have some control over their elected officials and it's easier to replace them.   Plus, it doesn't cost as much to run for a local or state office.
You can see by the antics of the current house of representatives that as IG said, a more thoughtful group is needed to keep them in check.    But sadly, our current senate is approaching the same idiocy as the house.

[NWBear]

"I’d say anything that goes against the constitution or bill of rights should never even be heard."

Is this a vote for getting rid of the filibuster since the Constitution only calls for a simple majority to conduct business, no mention of a "fuilibuster"

[Mule 11]

Just a mostly peaceful eviction of those who vote for or are unamerican leftists works for me...

[Bob Riebe]

"I’d say anything that goes against the constitution or bill of rights should never even be heard."

Is this a vote for getting rid of the filibuster since the Constitution only calls for a simple majority to conduct business, no mention of a "fuilibuster"

All the Constitution says is:
The House of Representatives shall chuse their Speaker and other Officers; and shall have the sole Power of Impeachment.
 The Senate of the United States shall be composed of two Senators from each State, chosen by the Legislature thereof, for six Years; and each Senator shall have one Vote.

BUT

The Senate tradition of unlimited debate has allowed for the use of the filibuster, a loosely defined term for action designed to prolong debate and delay or prevent a vote on a bill, resolution, amendment, or other debatable question. Prior to 1917 the Senate rules did not provide for a way to end debate and force a vote on a measure. That year, the Senate adopted a rule to allow a two-thirds majority to end a filibuster, a procedure known as "cloture." In 1975 the Senate reduced the number of votes required for cloture from two-thirds of senators voting to three-fifths of all senators duly chosen and sworn, or 60 of the 100-member Senate.

AND

A supermajority or a qualified majority is a requirement for a proposal to gain a specified level or type of support which exceeds a simple majority in order to have effect. In some jurisdictions, for example, parliamentary procedure requires that any action that may alter the rights of the minority has a supermajority requirement (such as a two-thirds majority). Changes to constitutions, especially those with entrenched clauses, commonly require supermajority support in a legislature. A supermajority is absolute if the required percentage or fraction is based on the entire membership rather than on those present and voting.

The United States Senate requires a supermajority of 60 percent to move to a vote through a cloture motion, which closes debate on a bill or nomination, thus ending a filibuster by a minority of members. There are 100 members, so sixty percent is sixty Senators.

The United States Constitution requires a supermajority of two-thirds of both houses of United States Congress to propose a Congress-driven constitutional amendment; it also requires a three-quarters supermajority of state legislatures for final adoption of any constitutional amendment, as well as a two-thirds supermajority to pass a bill over the president's veto