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« on: March 07, 2004, 12:00:10 PM »
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Government for Dummies

Introduction:

Below is a list of a few very basic issues in the simplest of terms. In each case, very obvious problems are presented, and it is up to you, the reader, to acknowledge those problems, that they exist, and to what extent. Then, it is up to you to decide what to do about them.

In honor of Thomas Paine and Common Sense, we would like to introduce the "duh theory," which is the act of refusing to acknowledge the most obvious, simple, and common sense truth about a thing so adamantly that one actually starts advocating an untruth in an attempt to justify their own denial; only to discover, much to their dismay, the most obvious, simple, and common sense answer is the Truth.

These are some of the simple truths as they relate to the militia; apply the "duh theory" often.

The Militia for Dummies

The militia -- sit down, brace yourself, this gets complicated -- is: everyone! By definition, the militia consists of "all citizens capable of bearing arms." I can list everyone and everything we are, but I think "everyone" pretty much covers it; so let's move on to what we are not.

We are not racists fighting the "great race war... to annihilate the mud people," we welcome everyone, regardless of the hue of their skin; we are not terrorists advocating violence or destroying buildings in Oklahoma full of men, women, and children, only lunatics do that; we are not right-wing religious extremists fighting "demonically controlled people activated by Satan," we welcome everyone of every religion, no religion, or anything in between as the case may be.

We are portrayed as above, as it serves the purpose of tainting the legitimacy of our concerns. (Apply the duh theory here.) For more about us, please read In Defense of Liberty II, a pamphlet of questions and answers about the Michigan Militia.

Taxes, taxes, taxes for Dummies

In the feudal system, of days of old, the Lord of the Manor owned the land; the Serfs worked the land, and had to give the Lord of the Manor 1/3 (or 33%) of what they produced.

This is what we pay today - Just for starters:

Social Security Tax 15% Yes, it's 15%, not 7.65%

Federal Income Tax 12% Approximate, on the low end

State income Tax 4% Again, on the low end

State Sales Tax 6% The effective rate is really 10%

Other Payroll Taxes 3% Again, on the low end

TOTAL 40% Remember, this is just for startersÂ…

Now add to this Real Estate Taxes (whether you rent or own), Gas Taxes, Cigarette Taxes, Alcohol Taxes, Taxes already built into the price of every product you buy, etc., etc., etc... All in total, you pay between 60% to 70% of everything you earn (produce) in Taxes.

Now remember, Serfs were only required to pay 33%. Oh, by the way - Serfs were considered SLAVES. I seem to remember something in the Constitution about involuntary servitude... (Apply the duh theory here.) This is the most obvious, simple, common sense truth; denying it is not going to help or make it go away.

Additional point: At what point in the English language did income start meaning wages?

Hint: Wages are personal property, not income; income is the profit from an investment. (Apply the duh theory here.) If I remember correctly, stealing is illegal.

Declaration of Independence for Dummies

Before the Constitution, there was the Declaration of Independence. This document basically tells Great Britain to take a hike - we did not want a tyrannical dictator anymore. In the Declaration of Independence, listed are all the horrid things that King George III had done to his own people (remember, at that time America was a British colony). It is very interesting to note here, that most of the crimes King George III was committing against his people are identical to what our government is doing to us today.

Well, we got fed-up and decided that we no longer wanted to be ruled by King George III or Great Britain; we declared to the world that we were our own country of our own people, and we will run our country our way. Thus, America was born, and after winning the war of our Revolution, the Constitution was written.

Constitution for Dummies

The Constitution does not give you your rights. It can't. No mere piece of paper can give you your rights, nor can it take them away. The Constitution limits the government. It spells out, plainly and clearly, what the government can do. Any power not given to the government by the Constitution cannot be lawfully exercised by the government.

The Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. Therefore, when the Supreme Law of the Land is violated, that violation is illegal. (Apply the duh theory here.) This is the most obvious, simple, common sense truth; denying it is not going to help or make it go away.

The Bill of Rights for Dummies

In addition to the Constitution, there are 10 amendments commonly referred to as The Bill of Rights. One of the most common misunderstandings relating to the Bill of Rights is that this is where people get their rights; THIS IS INCORRECT. If this is where you are given your rights, they can be taken away. You are born with your rights; they are from your Creator - NOT from the government.

There are two important word use distinctions that must be understood when reading the Constitution and the Bill of Rights; POWER (or authority) and RIGHTS. The government and all governmental bodies have Power or authority, only People have Rights.

So, in the simplest of terms, the Constitution specifies exactly what the government CAN do. Add to that the Bill of Rights, which says what the government CAN'T do. In other words, these documents don't give you your rights, what they do is LIMIT the government. (Apply the duh theory here.)

Gun rights for Dummies

"The Constitutions of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."

- Thomas Jefferson

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

- Constitution for the United States, Second Amendment

"Every person has a right to keep and bear arms for the defense of himself and the state."

- Constitution for the State of Michigan, Article I, Section 6

As already stated, when something violates the Supreme Law of the Land, i.e., the Constitution, that something is illegal. The federal, state, and local governments, with their gun control laws, have all violated the Supreme Law of the Land. It doesn't matter whether or not you like guns, the Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land. (Apply the duh theory here.) This is the most obvious, simple, common sense truth; denying it is not going to help or make it go away.

Criminals, by definition, don't follow the law. Making laws to keep guns out of the criminals' hands is not going to work -- criminals don't obey the law. (Apply the duh theory here.) This is the most obvious, simple, common sense truth; denying it is not going to help or make it go away.

Okay, since we are using the Common Sense theme, there are those who would say, "It's common sense, the more guns there are, more people will get shot by them." And my response to that is, "More guns, more law abiding citizens carrying them, who would otherwise be victims, are shooting more criminals... You're right - great idea."

One more thingÂ… unarmed citizens have not only been victimized by criminals throughout history, they have also been victimized by GOVERNMENTS. Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, Cambodia, Rwanda, and Bosnia can all serve as examples of GOVERNMENTS, in some cases DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENTS, using "Gun Control" to enslave or murder thousands and even millions of unarmed, helpless victims.

Gun Control simply makes it easy for criminals and governments (kind of redundant, isn't it?) to harm decent, law abiding citizens. (Apply the duh theory here.) This is the most obvious, simple, common sense truth; denying it is not going to help or make it go away.

Government officials for Dummies

All government officials (varmints) take an oath of office when they are elected, appointed, hired, or whatever the case may be. Similar to: "I will uphold and defend the Constitution..."

This is what we elect them to do. You have to ask yourself, are they doing this? And, if they are not, just what, exactly, are they doing? (Apply the duh theory here.) The beauty of the Constitution is that it is designed to PREVENT government officials from imposing their own personal view or agenda upon the rest of us, which is what government officials are doing today. This is the most obvious, simple, common sense truth; denying it is not going to help or make it go away.

Democracy for Dummies

The word "democracy" does NOT appear in the Declaration of Independence, nor does it appear in the Constitution. There is a good reason for this: AMERICA IS NOT A DEMOCRACY; the majority does NOT rule (contrary to popular belief) -- the Constitution does. (Apply the duh theory here.) If the majority ruled, then we would not need a Constitution at all. In fact, we would not need any laws, we could just vote on whether or not something was right or wrong. This is the most obvious, simple, common sense truth; denying it is not going to help or make it go away.

Democracy is four wolves and one sheep voting on what's for dinner.
Liberty is the sheep with .357 magnum telling the wolves where to stick it.  

The United Nations for Dummies

There is so much here, but we will limit it to the three main documents.

The UN Charter: this is their version of a Constitution, and it starts off nice and pretty, just like ours, "We the people..." The similarities end there. To summarize it briefly, all of the power lies in the Security Council, which is composed of five permanent members, and 10 other transitory members. No checks and balances, no division of branches of government, just the Security Council; what they say goes, period. Sounds like a dictatorship to me...

The Declaration of Human Rights: (The title should give you a clue) Again, it starts off nice and pretty, and talks about how wonderful individual rights and freedoms are; then they list a whole bunch of wonderful rights that they are giving you - not given by your Creator - rights they are giving you. What they giveth, they can taketh away, read to the end where they proclaim proudly that none of these rights can be exercised contrary to the purposes and principals of the United Nations or international law.

Convention on the Rights of the Child: (The title should give you a clue) A proper title would be "The Power of the State Over Your Child" or "Parents are only for the maintenance of the child." Did you know: your child has a right to be happy, have a wonderful environment -- and if you don't make your child happy and provide a wonderful environment and countless other things -- they can take your child away? According to the UN, that's the way it is.

So, read the Constitution, then read UN documents -- which do you choose to govern us?

Conspiracy Theories for Dummies

Who cares? The things the government has done right in front of us, in the wide open, is plenty. We don't need black helicopters, or other such things. Even if true, the conspirators are wasting their time, there is nothing they could do in secret that is worse than what has already been done in the open.

If You Still Don't Get it

"If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsel or arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen."

- Samuel Adams, debates of 1776
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« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2004, 03:45:20 PM »
That's too complicated for a po' ol' country boy.

The short version is:

Government (any gubmint, any place, any time) is a self legalized protection racket.
It is the duty of the good citizen to love his country and hate his gubmint.

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« Reply #2 on: March 08, 2004, 02:21:53 AM »
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Government (any gubmint, any place, any time) is a self legalized protection racket.
Do Leftoverdj thus advocate that anarchy replace present government in United States of America, inquire Dali Llama? :?  :?
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Re: Government For Dummies
« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2004, 02:27:25 AM »
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The Bill of Rights for Dummies

In addition to the Constitution, there are 10 amendments commonly referred to as The Bill of Rights. One of the most common misunderstandings relating to the Bill of Rights is that this is where people get their rights; THIS IS INCORRECT. If this is where you are given your rights, they can be taken away. You are born with your rights; they are from your Creator - NOT from the government.

There are two important word use distinctions that must be understood when reading the Constitution and the Bill of Rights; POWER (or authority) and RIGHTS. The government and all governmental bodies have Power or authority, only People have Rights.

So, in the simplest of terms, the Constitution specifies exactly what the government CAN do. Add to that the Bill of Rights, which says what the government CAN'T do. In other words, these documents don't give you your rights, what they do is LIMIT the government. (Apply the duh theory here.)


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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2004, 05:53:04 AM »
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Quote from: Leftoverdj
Government (any gubmint, any place, any time) is a self legalized protection racket.
Do Leftoverdj thus advocate that anarchy replace present government in United States of America, inquire Dali Llama? :?  :?


Nope, I advocate that we return to a severely limited gubmint of the type advocated by Madison, Jefferson, Mason, et al.. And I suggest that we do so in the full awareness that gubmint is a necessary evil that needs to be continually beaten back within its bounds.

For 200 years, the pernicious notion that gubmint can be used to promote self interest and as a weapon against others has lead to momentary advantage for the promoters and permanent power for the gubmint. It ain't sposed to be that way.
It is the duty of the good citizen to love his country and hate his gubmint.

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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2004, 07:52:57 AM »
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Quote from: Dali Llama
Quote from: Leftoverdj
Government (any gubmint, any place, any time) is a self legalized protection racket.
Do Leftoverdj thus advocate that anarchy replace present government in United States of America, inquire Dali Llama? :?  :?



For 200 years, the pernicious notion that gubmint can be used to promote self interest and as a weapon against others has lead to momentary advantage for the promoters and permanent power for the gubmint. It ain't sposed to be that way.
Dali Llama say he wonder if Leftoverdj able name any other country that have done as well over past two centuries as have United States of America? :?
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2004, 08:21:56 AM »
The bottom line:  Freedom is too scary for most people today.  Freedom nowadays is being able to have the choice between a Honda or a Chrysler minivan.  Almost everytime I talk to people about govt, cops, or taxes I'm called an anarchist.  

Since when did limited constitutional government and anarchy become synonomous?

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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2004, 04:20:41 PM »
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Since when did limited constitutional government and anarchy become synonomous?
Dali Llama say he not know they be synonomous. :?
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« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2004, 05:14:23 PM »
Dali, you've got posts all over the place here today!  Ain't y'all got a job or somethin'?  Or are you the kind of guy just achin' fer a fight?

Just joshin'.  Go out and shoot somethin' today.

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« Reply #9 on: March 09, 2004, 01:13:09 AM »
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Dali, you've got posts all over the place here today!  Ain't y'all got a job or somethin'?  Or are you the kind of guy just achin' fer a fight?

Dali Llama say he repeat what others ask in past: what do it matter how many posts Dali make?  Dali suggest that if parkinsond not like them, he not read them.
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« Reply #10 on: March 09, 2004, 01:58:20 AM »
Whereas I was just joshin' you Dali, I reckon you are achin' fer a fight.
um, er, yeah.  okay.

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« Reply #11 on: March 09, 2004, 02:11:06 AM »
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Whereas I was just joshin' you Dali, I reckon you are achin' fer a fight.
Dali Llama say parkinsonsd apparently reckon incorrectly. :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :D
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« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2004, 04:33:33 AM »
Dali, my question was rhetorical.

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« Reply #13 on: March 09, 2004, 08:30:13 AM »
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Dali, my question was rhetorical.
Dali Llama say he appreciate clarification, as such intent be difficult to discern via electronic communication medium. :D
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« Reply #14 on: March 09, 2004, 10:28:53 AM »
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Quote from: parkinsonsd
Whereas I was just joshin' you Dali, I reckon you are achin' fer a fight.
Dali Llama say parkinsonsd apparently reckon incorrectly. :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :grin:  :D

 
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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2004, 04:03:41 AM »
A government that is a servant to the citizens is a good thing. When it changes to where the citizens are the servants of the government it becomes a very bad thing.

What is a "civil servant"? It is supposed to mean a servant to the civilians but in today's world the term "civil servant" is an oxymoron.

However, it is not the fault of the government itself that we, the citizens, are now stuck with an authorative group that controls, and seeks to increase that control of, our lives. It is the fault of us, the citizens, who have allowed the government to have that control. The citizens need, desperately need, a simple and swift method of requiring all "civil servants", from the dog catcher to the President, to behave as "civil servants" and to serve the citizens. Our present methods of recall/impeachment or prosecution of those who abuse their positions in the government are too slow and mostly ineffective. Those who abuse their positions in the government used those positions to insure that it would be difficult to have them removed from office.

BamBams has it correct. Our "rights" were not given to us by the Bill of Rights. The Bill of Rights is simply a list of the "rights" each person was born with. "Rights" are like portions of our physical bodies. We are born with them, they belong to us as individuals, we own them. Yet we have the duty to use our bodys, and our rights, responsibly. However, in my opinion, many of the problems we have today stem from skewed perspective. Too many people are busy shouting: "What about MY rights!" while conviently forgetting that everyone else also has those same rights. These people are selfish and only concerned with having what they want, having things done the way they think is correct, basicly having control over everyone else, without understanding that everyone else also has the right to want things done their way too. No one has the right to have more rights than anyone else!

For every person shouting: "What about MY rights!" there is another person on the opposite side of that coin that has rights too. Gay rights? What about straight rights? Black rights? What about White rights? Gun rights? People have the right to carry/own guns but they also have the right not to own/carry guns. Neither has the right to force the other into either owning/carrying or not owning/carrying. Seems to me people are quick to forget that "rights" are for everyone, not just themselves.
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2004, 07:17:41 AM »
Bikenut, I fear you are terribly confused. There's only one set of rights and it applies to all of us. Folks who are claiming their rights confilict with others's rights are generally either claiming rights they don't have or denying rights that others do have.

There is no right to use the gubmint to abuse other people.
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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2004, 11:25:02 AM »
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Bikenut, I fear you are terribly confused. There's only one set of rights and it applies to all of us. Folks who are claiming their rights confilict with others's rights are generally either claiming rights they don't have or denying rights that others do have.

There is no right to use the gubmint to abuse other people.


Actually, what you said is what I was trying to say. You used a whole lot less words than I did though.
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