Ukraine recaptures Kyiv region

[Dee]

'The link I posted is as reliable as yours. Russia hasn't posted any proof they have this general.'

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Your link....Maybe, maybe not, and maybe its pure BS from BBC.
Because I never posted a link on Cloutier's capture.....I  just mentioned it in post #41 for discussion. But its impossible to have impartial discussion with neo-Nazi sympathizers Russophobes.
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I gave you a link. You gave me accusations, and lip service. SSDD,

King of koolaid,

[Dee]

You gave your typical kool-aid links and one of your smarmy pics. I made no accusations, just facts.
Here's what I posted in #41...

Now it looks more confirmed:
NOW more CONFIRMED: U.S Lt General Roger L. Cloutier (and others) was captured by Russia while trying to flee Mariupol after giving military direction to Ukrainian and mercenary forces.

Reports are vaporized as soon as they come in. No wonder MSM ran the Boucha story over and over. The general's hdqut denies.
Well, this would be a game changer as far as Russia is concerned. Let's see if MSM runs the story or a denial story.

So if mine are "koolaid links", yours are "conspiracy nut" links.

General Coultier and others captured by the Russians. Got a link?

[VA Rifleman]

Coultier story originated from a pro Russian twitter account. Source documented as “unconfirmed Russian Militarily” in original tweet.

The “confirmation” happened when one site cited another site that talked about the same tweet.

Since then, several versions. One version had Coultier captured while trying to escape Mariupol
via Helo. Another has Coultier and other NATO officers from several countries in the bag.

One story from Tass, has Coultier holed up with Ukrainian NAZI’s in a steel mill. Presumably working on bio weapons when not casting hull sections for tiger tanks.

Meanwhile, either Coultier or a body double posed for a group picture while also refuting his POW status at a NATO conference on April 5th in Turkey

Some Russian sources claim “body double” which is indeed impressive, what with NATO having backup General’s and all.

[Mule 11]

I saw where they are under siege and if rescued could say never happened. I have my own problems right here and now. Butt, not discounting anything.

[VA Rifleman]

Propaganda and the BBC.

Spent a year in Kavadarci Macedonia working as a contractor rep at the FENI plant. Plant manager was Tricha Basilkov. (Spelled wrong for sure). Tricha had a 5 year plan and liked to joke about how some are more equal then others. Great people that still revered Tito. The news had a Soviet slant.

During this time, we had a dust up with Gaddafi. English speaking news had Gaddafi sinking the 6th fleet as they crossed the line of death into the gulf of Sidra.

Locals weren’t bothered at all. I thought this a big deal!  Then I caught a shortwave broadcast from the BBC.

[Bob Riebe]

[VA Rifleman]

Russian news agency RIA acknowledges the
flagship of the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet is burning with the crew taken off.

Ukrainian’s claim an anti ship missile attack.

No word if nukes were on board as was the habit in the Cold War era.

Either way, a bad day for the federation navy in the previously safe Black Sea.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2022/04/loss-of-russian-cruiser-moskva-what-we-know-so-far/

[VA Rifleman]

TM7. “Sacker and Blackwar, pro-Russian sites, say Kiev will be or is under heavy bombardment, and that the war will be over within 2 weeks”.

Genuinely Interested in plausible scenarios as to how the war ends. IDK. Assuming no WMD, don’t see Ukrainians kicking the Russkie’s out nor a total Ukrainian collapse.

How do the Pro Russian sites envision the war ending?

Forbes from Jan.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/

Concerning today’s news.
Russians seem pissed that Ukrainians are shooting back.

[Dee]

TM7. “Sacker and Blackwar, pro-Russian sites, say Kiev will be or is under heavy bombardment, and that the war will be over within 2 weeks”.

Genuinely Interested in plausible scenarios as to how the war ends. IDK. Assuming no WMD, don’t see Ukrainians kicking the Russkie’s out nor a total Ukrainian collapse.

How do the Pro Russian sites envision the war ending?

Forbes from Jan.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/

Russians seem pissed that Ukrainians are shooting back.

War is fun if you don't get shot. It's also easy to promote war, if you're not gonna be the one to fight it.

[VA Rifleman]

War is fun if you don't get shot. It's also easy to promote war, if you're not gonna be the one to fight it.

An account of a Nam mortar platoon had a Marine saying it was all fun and games till the VC got a mortar too.

[Lloyd Smale]

yup i find it comical that there angered over Ukraine daring to shoot missiles into russia or sinking one of there ships. How dare they fight back!!!! 

TM7. “Sacker and Blackwar, pro-Russian sites, say Kiev will be or is under heavy bombardment, and that the war will be over within 2 weeks”.

Genuinely Interested in plausible scenarios as to how the war ends. IDK. Assuming no WMD, don’t see Ukrainians kicking the Russkie’s out nor a total Ukrainian collapse.

How do the Pro Russian sites envision the war ending?

Forbes from Jan.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/

Concerning today’s news.
Russians seem pissed that Ukrainians are shooting back.

[Dee]

TM7. “Sacker and Blackwar, pro-Russian sites, say Kiev will be or is under heavy bombardment, and that the war will be over within 2 weeks”.

Genuinely Interested in plausible scenarios as to how the war ends. IDK. Assuming no WMD, don’t see Ukrainians kicking the Russkie’s out nor a total Ukrainian collapse.

How do the Pro Russian sites envision the war ending?

Forbes from Jan.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2022/01/20/the-russian-cruiser-moskva-dominates-the-black-sea/

Concerning today’s news.
Russians seem pissed that Ukrainians are shooting back.

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VaRifleman....

Said I don’t  know about that, etc.
But the 'war' probably would have been over 4 weeks ago and neutrality agreement along the original Minsk Agreement signed;
but Biden, globalist deep state, and NATO oligarchs are promoting and keep the war going, now even trying to start a second front in Finland. Not to mention the war is a goldmine for the MIC. Pretty sure from their rhetoric the Russians think Americans sunk their ship. Biden and the deep state have to keep the war going to cover up their crimes, the stolen election, the bioweapons, and all the horrid corruption crap on Hunter's laptop....

So instead of winding down,  I suspect the war is going nuclear. Btw, are you familiar with Russian Poseidon Torpedo, speaking of going nuclear? And remember it was Queen Pelosi who wanted to keep the 'codes' out crazy Joe's hands.
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If Russia were able to take Ukraine, then logic dictates that now,NATO is even closer to Russian borders. What then?
There is no justification for any country to go into another country and kill its civilian population. There is no moral or legal defense for that.

You've had a similar stance on Israel concerning Palestinians attacking them.

That you dogmatically defend such is ridiculously indefensible.

[Bob Riebe]

We do not know the details of that area, in any mode, but there is ZERO justified reason for Putin to have done what he did the way he did.
His logic sounds like Biden's, reality is ignored.

[Dee]

"
If Russia were able to take Ukraine, then logic dictates that now,NATO is even closer to Russian borders. What then?
There is no justification for any country to go into another country and kill its civilian population. There is no moral or legal defense for that.

You've had a similar stance on Israel concerning Palestinians attacking them.

That you dogmatically defend such is ridiculously indefensible."
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The only dogmatics here is your's. I'm attempting to explain Russian thought process. Explaining is just explaining.

The US goes into or meddles with other countries all the time. Israel attacks civilians and carries out surprise attacks all the time.

If the Minsk Agreement was honored instead of undermined by the Globalist deep staters 8 years ago, if 15-20,000 ethnic Russians weren't killed in the Donblas, if the Russians didn't consider themselves targeted by and even attacked by US-DoD bioweapons 'labs', if the duly elected president of Ukraine wasn't ousted, and if crisis actor Zelenskyy did what he said he would do and not the opposite _ _ then I don't think Russians would be in Ukraine, and be happily pumping fuel to Europe.

But that didn't happen, instead Biden the Blowhard and Euro oligarchs promoted and threw gas on the fire. Comes a time when everyone just has to defend themselves. I think that time is right now for the Russians; and as I said I think they see it as survival, and will take this nuclear if they have to. Afterall, they already consider American/NATO aid, weapons, and personnel have been fighting this war for Zelenskyy, the WEF puppet.
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Well you're doing a splendid job, but only 1, maybe 2 are agreeing with you. One can blame all sorts of people, presidents, policies, and "oligarchs", but the one fact is, innocent civilians are being butchered, and the butcher is Vladimir Putin.

[billy_56081]

Another place to look for a different perspective is Intel Slava Z on telegram. I'm not saying this isn't Russian propaganda, but isn't the MSM propaganda either. The truth is somewhere in between the two.

[Lloyd Smale]

must have got a fresh box of Reynolds wrap.

[VA Rifleman]

https://southfront.org/video-reports-ukrainian-genocide-of-dpr-citizens-continues/

Shocking stuff.
Who's doing the all the killing?.

Southfront is registered in Moscow. Treasury Dept recently sanctioned Southfront for being a agent of the FSB. Same stale story in link that we’ve been hearing for weeks. They need new copy.

ChiComs reporting Russians exhuming civilian bodies in Mariupol. Why?

Mariupol Mayor says well over 10,000 dead. Civilian males being “filtered” as to who gets forced labor or worse. RIA story coming true.

[Dee]

https://southfront.org/video-reports-ukrainian-genocide-of-dpr-citizens-continues/

Shocking stuff.
Who's doing the all the killing?.

Southfront is registered in Moscow. Treasury Dept recently sanctioned Southfront for being a agent of the FSB. Same stale story in link that we’ve been hearing for weeks. They need new copy.

ChiComs reporting Russians exhuming civilian bodies in Mariupol. Why?

Mariupol Mayor says well over 10,000 dead. Civilian males being “filtered” as to who gets forced labor or worse. RIA story coming true.

I personally don't see any confusion as to who is guilty here, do you?

Fact of the matter is, if Russian troops weren't in the Ukraine, bombing, and shooting Ukrainian troops, AND CIVILIANS, neither would be getting killed.
Mariupol is almost non-existent due to Russian rockets, and bombs. Putin owns all the killing, and destruction. One can blame it on anyone they wish, but if Russia, ran by Putin weren't there, it wouldn't be happening.

[VA Rifleman]

I personally don't see any confusion as to who is guilty here, do you?

No. Pretty clear cut as to the aggressor and their actions.

I underestimated the Ukrainians. In several ways. Hope they have a few rabbits left to pull out of their hat in the Donbas. (Open ground with little cover and the other guy has control of the air).

[Mule 11]

No one here wants to hear anything other than their opinion... I believe the definition would be fools...

[VA Rifleman]

VaRifleman.....

Yeah, perhaps you can suggest a source or US media outlet that post Russian communiques from their top statesmen?

Betcha can't because they're all censored and blacked out - - because YOU are not allowed to hear what  Russians are saying, US propaganda  only.

Well. Both Putin and foreign minister Lavrov are widely reported while Tass and RT is available via the net.

Some Russian sources are pretty far out there. Like the one about U.K. SAS executing Ukrainian citizens in the recaptured Kyiv regions while Ukraine troops stand by or assist. I could write better copy.

IDK. WWII Marines used to listen to Tokyo Rose for entertainment.

 Not doing Covid in this thread.

[ulav8r]

What does M$M refer to???

[Dee]

No one here wants to hear anything other than their opinion... I believe the definition would be fools...

I've read all your posts on this thread, which amount to nuthin more than sniping, and name calling, while contributing zero to the actual topic subject.

Now your claim is the posters are "fools". Are you lonely, and seeking attention? Or could this post be different in that,  it might be a reflection on "yourself"? An impotent mosquito bite that nobody scratches?

Now, back to a world without you.

[Lloyd Smale]

more like some here look at the OBVIOUS facts and some search for obscure OPINIONS from someone trying to get viewers on some off the wall website. FAKE NEWS. Thankfully for them there are some gullable enough to buy into there bs. Funny thing is this war is the first thing i a LONG time that the left and right agree on. Only ones that dont are the conspiracy theorists and those who profit off pushing lies that are nothing but there own opinions. Hate to burst your bubble but sometimes the truth is just that. THE TRUTH. Your opinion is right in there with the left saying hunter was a victim and trump colluded with the russians. Some believe those are true too and i can find websites that say so. Luckily for some of us God gave eyes and a brain. Others? a box of Reynold's rap. Sorry to be blunt but if you cant see this as russia's fault you werent issued a brain or eyes.  If you really think putin isnt the cause of all of this your just trying to hard to hate. Look at it logically. The democrats and republicans dont agree on ANYTHING. Dont you think one side would be pounding the other over spending billions on an unjust war?? Dont you think that the radical far left news media like cnn and nbc whos ratings are plummeting wouldnt if there was more to this be using it to gain back viewers?? I guess if 99 percent of America disagreed with me id be looking a bit closer at my own beliefs. If even 30 percent believed like me id thing maybe i just might be right but some think they know more then anyone and are more intelligent then the rest of us and you cant change that. But i have to agree with dee. Instead of just posting slams maybe try posting some facts that back up your argument. As it is now the only one thats on your side is tm7 and you seem to let him do all the dirty work and ride on his coat tails. Your better then that. We dont allways agree but i respect some of your opinions in the past but in this your just wrong and like i eluded to. If the only one here that agreed with me was tm7 id do some serious soul searching.   

No one here wants to hear anything other than their opinion... I believe the definition would be fools...

[Mule 11]

I remember a while back a good percentage here were arguing the vaccine effectiveness and look where the facts lie now. Actually there are quite a few that are not buying into the msm rhetoric on Russia/Ukraine. Well see where this pans out won’t we? And tweedle dee/dumb. I just choose not to get too involved in a debate over this subject. What is your famous line again? “ I never judge a man for a fight I wasn’t in” Yet you are judging countries in a fight. I just get tired of watching you guy’s throw your Pom pom’s In the air and virtue signal away. That does not mean I’m a putin fan like you would like to think... Anyone who disagrees with the msm propaganda repeated here gets personally attacked...

[Dee]

I remember a while back a good percentage here were arguing the vaccine effectiveness and look where the facts lie now. Actually there are quite a few that are not buying into the msm rhetoric on Russia/Ukraine. Well see where this pans out won’t we? And tweedle dee/dumb. I just choose not to get too involved in a debate over this subject. What is your famous line again? “ I never judge a man for a fight I wasn’t in” Yet you are judging countries in a fight. I just get tired of watching you guy’s throw your Pom pom’s In the air and virtue signal away. That does not mean I’m a putin fan like you would like to think... Anyone who disagrees with the msm propaganda repeated here gets personally attacked...

There ya go again. I seldom even acknowledge your posts, in any way, but you have to take an insulting attempt swipe at me. Can't stop yourself can ya?
I've obviously got your goat, and don't even want it. You talk a lot about not needing friends, but seem very insecure. Oh well

Back once again,  to a world without ya.

[Lloyd Smale]

I see you haven't posted much in this thread, but nonetheless caught some flak from one or two of the forum mafioso enforcing official narrative malarchy. They're the captured doing the prison planet warden's bidding for favors. In this case joining up with Biden the Senile. They get intoxicated on abusing people. They had this same ilk in ww2 era concentration camps, too, helping out their captors. Just the way the world is..... there's all kinds.

again you complain about personal attacks with a blatant personal attack. But then i guess maybe you dont see that through the tin foil down over your eyes. Yup there is all kinds. Thankfully very very few like you.

[Bob Riebe]

Bill this has turned into : I'm rubber -  you're glue... so time to pull the plug.

[Mule 11]

I remember a while back a good percentage here were arguing the vaccine effectiveness and look where the facts lie now. Actually there are quite a few that are not buying into the msm rhetoric on Russia/Ukraine. Well see where this pans out won’t we? And tweedle dee/dumb. I just choose not to get too involved in a debate over this subject. What is your famous line again? “ I never judge a man for a fight I wasn’t in” Yet you are judging countries in a fight. I just get tired of watching you guy’s throw your Pom pom’s In the air and virtue signal away. That does not mean I’m a putin fan like you would like to think... Anyone who disagrees with the msm propaganda repeated here gets personally attacked...

There ya go again. I seldom even acknowledge your posts, in any way, but you have to take an insulting attempt swipe at me. Can't stop yourself can ya?
I've obviously got your goat, and don't even want it. You talk a lot about not needing friends, but seem very insecure. Oh well

Back once again,  to a world without ya.

You are apparently baiting me here and in your other post starting this. I see you are a master at it...