Some wonder that with the great russian armor losses

[ironglow]

  They are wondering if the tank is done as a useful instrument.

   Not necessarily true of course, but here is a better explanation by a rersident expert of
    the British tank museum..
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF_kbEWSf1M
   

[BUGEYE]

The man made some good points.
And, that tank looked like I might have made the armor. 

[Mule 11]

Tank Propaganda.
The Russians are winning and grinding Ukrainian army into the dirt. In just 90 days they've taken control of 1/3 of Ukraine.
Even Kissenger, speaking at Davos WEF, said Zelenskyy should negotiate a peace agreement while he still has some country and living Ukrainians left. There has been a widening rift between Zelenskyy and his top army commanders. And probably Zelenskyy is existing on borrowed time.
.

Did you hear that on the alphabet news stations

[Lloyd Smale]

id like to know where that came from too. Maps ive seen show they have control over a few areas in the south. But our resident communist sympathizer and putin cheerleader can find a wacked out web site that will say about anything to attract the nut cases that frequent them. That bs didnt even come from abc nbc or cbs or cnn. They show the same maps as the conservative news sources do.

Tank Propaganda.
The Russians are winning and grinding Ukrainian army into the dirt. In just 90 days they've taken control of 1/3 of Ukraine.
Even Kissenger, speaking at Davos WEF, said Zelenskyy should negotiate a peace agreement while he still has some country and living Ukrainians left. There has been a widening rift between Zelenskyy and his top army commanders. And probably Zelenskyy is existing on borrowed time.
.

Did you hear that on the alphabet news stations

[billy_56081]

I think we are looking at this conflict with an eye on how we have tried to fight our wars since WW2. We go in take an area and set up camp. We failed to destroy all resistance and a majority of our casualties came from guerilla attacks from insurgents. The Russians appear to be taking and area and completely clearing the resistance, not allowing the ability for insurgency in these areas. They do seem to have consolidated about 1/3 of Ukraine.

[ironglow]

  If Russia maintains the blockade on Ukraine ports, that means Europe, the mideast and muchof Africa will begin to starve..
   https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2022/05/black-sea-blockade-crimea

   And we all know how irrational people can get when they see their kids start to starve..

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/26/kaas-m26.html   

[billy_56081]

  If Russia maintains the blockade on Ukraine ports, that means Europe, the mideast and muchof Africa will begin to starve..
   https://www.newstatesman.com/world/europe/ukraine/2022/05/black-sea-blockade-crimea

   And we all know how irrational people can get when they see their kids start to starve..

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/05/26/kaas-m26.html

I thought everybody said Russia with their tiny GDP was a nobody in this world.

[ironglow]

  From Billy;

  " We failed to destroy all resistance and a majority of our casualties came from guerilla attacks from insurgents".

    Hmmm...Seems like the major share of the fighting in Iraq was against insurgents..  Actually, once
    the US colums arriveed in, and took control of Baghdad, was when the real fighting started   all against insurgents.... mostlymercenaries from all over the Arab world.

[Dixie-Dude]

It is cheaper to make hundreds of anti-tank rocket launchers than it is to make tanks.  The tank may be obsolete.  Drones are taking their place, from small ones to large ones.  Some for recon missions, and some with bombs or rockets.  Hard to hide from the air. 

[ironglow]

  May be obsolete,  ...maybe not.  It is not yet clear if our "Trophy" system will negate those missiles.

  While drones are of great benefit, I rather doubt they will replace tanks.  Drones are great for observation and bombing an area..  Tanks are designd to capture, hold and occupy territory, not exactly the same mission.

  Tanks have been deployed for over a century, and it has been a offense/defense battle since then.
  Just about the time some figure the tank is washed up, a new development comes along to place it's demise on hold.

[Bob Riebe]

The tanks being used in the Ukraine are seventies-eighties redos, not even remotely as capable as the top line tanks used by a dozen other nations.

[30calflash]

The tanks being used in the Ukraine are seventies-eighties redos, not even remotely as capable as the top line tanks used by a dozen other nations.

 I haven't followed it much due to the lack of good info/intel and way too much inaccurate posting by 'news' orgs but it would seem that the reserves are being used to fight this war, both equipment and people. The latest and greatest haven't been there in large numbers. Example, where are the T14's?

[ironglow]

The tanks being used in the Ukraine are seventies-eighties redos, not even remotely as capable as the top line tanks used by a dozen other nations.

 I haven't followed it much due to the lack of good info/intel and way too much inaccurate posting by 'news' orgs but it would seem that the reserves are being used to fight this war, both equipment and people. The latest and greatest haven't been there in large numbers. Example, where are the T14's?

  One problem withthe T14, is that they only have about 20 "pre-production' examples, and aren't likely to get many more very soon..
   https://www.19fortyfive.com/2021/07/russias-new-t-14-armata-tank-is-a-terror-it-just-has-one-giant-problem/

  Of course, we only have their word on how good it is..  But here is one of 3 that recently showed up in a Moscow parade.  (44sec video)   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DeJzuo2TsfM

  Is it reminiscent of the ones they are already using in the Ukraine?

[ironglow]

Sometimes I think they must run their equipmenton pure vodka...if you catch what I mean..  

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTNZViaKz3A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qROh_a0qORA

[mcbammer]

Sometimes I think they must run their equipmenton pure vodka...if you catch what I mean..  

   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTNZViaKz3A

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qROh_a0qORA

  I hope they had a bottom hatch to  get out .   Just the thought of getting trapped inside a tank freaks me out .