Author Topic: Artemis one moon launch (Read 1102 times)

phalanx · « **on:** August 06, 2022, 02:07:47 PM »

https://www.foxweather.com/earth-space/floridas-space-coast-ready-to-welcome-100000-to-witness-nasas-artemis-1-moon-launch.

Good to see em fly again. Fingers crossed.

phalanx · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2022, 05:26:41 PM »

Artemis one is due to launch August 29

https://www.space.com/nasa-artemis-1-moon-mission-go-for-launch

Land_Owner · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2022, 09:24:36 PM »

..and don't I know it. Warnings are ALREADY posted to "Expect Delays". You think?

This community, my community, is across the Indian River from the Kennedy Space Center and Ground Zero for an estimated one-hundred thousand (100,000) Visitors advancing on us for that launch. Thousands (1,000's) will illegally park on marked "Private Property". There will be no way to have them towed.

As the sunrise launch window approaches, they will PARK their cars, PU's, Van's, and Motor Homes on the Causeways AND in the traffic lanes of the ONLY FOUR (4) Bridges from the Mainland to Merritt Island, AND the Causeways and traffic lanes of the ONLY THREE (3) bridges from the Coast to Merritt Island, GET OUT of their cars, and stake "their claim" at the railings of the highest seats in the County for viewing the launch (it happens EVERY time). No one will be able to move, not even Emergency vehicles.

They will defecate EVERYWHERE as there will be insufficient facilities across the hundreds of linear miles of wall-to-wall parked cars on Causeways and roadsides. They will come and LEAVE in their wake their crap, their trash and their MONUMENTAL mess for this community to clean up.

There will be a HUGE traffic snarl in HOURS leading up to the launch AND an even GREATER snarl in the HOURS after launch as EVERYONE attempts to be "first-in-line" to get to a launch viewing site and then "first-in-line" to go home across the clogged and choked thoroughfares and bridges from viewing sites. There will be fender benders and those souls will wait additional HOURS for emergency services, services far too overloaded to immediately respond.

It has been twelve (12) YEARS since NASA sent its last Shuttle to orbit (July 8, 2011). For the last three (3) years (since early 2019), this middle-of-the-County has continued to DECREASE in population and services from Space-based Industry layoffs and, like the remainder of the Nation, shutdowns and loss of businesses from Covid-19. Small business here WILL NOT BE READY for the masses of people that will DEMAND service before and especially after the launch. There are already NO VACANCIES in EVERY hotel and motel within 35 miles.

Hold on to your hats folks, we're in for a rough ride.

phalanx · « **Reply #3 on:** August 23, 2022, 07:40:40 AM »

Some have RV,s. Try to get one of those out of that mess.

phalanx · « **Reply #4 on:** August 29, 2022, 05:48:18 AM »

Again, forget about it. https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/nasas-artemis-one-mission-moon-rocket-launch-scrubbed-delays

Dee · « **Reply #5 on:** August 29, 2022, 06:37:51 AM »

Quote from: Land_Owner on August 22, 2022, 09:24:36 PM

..and don't I know it. Warnings are ALREADY posted to "Expect Delays". You think?

This community, my community, is across the Indian River from the Kennedy Space Center and Ground Zero for an estimated one-hundred thousand (100,000) Visitors advancing on us for that launch. Thousands (1,000's) will illegally park on marked "Private Property". There will be no way to have them towed.

As the sunrise launch window approaches, they will PARK their cars, PU's, Van's, and Motor Homes on the Causeways AND in the traffic lanes of the ONLY FOUR (4) Bridges from the Mainland to Merritt Island, AND the Causeways and traffic lanes of the ONLY THREE (3) bridges from the Coast to Merritt Island, GET OUT of their cars, and stake "their claim" at the railings of the highest seats in the County for viewing the launch (it happens EVERY time). No one will be able to move, not even Emergency vehicles.

They will defecate EVERYWHERE as there will be insufficient facilities across the hundreds of linear miles of wall-to-wall parked cars on Causeways and roadsides. They will come and LEAVE in their wake their crap, their trash and their MONUMENTAL mess for this community to clean up.

There will be a HUGE traffic snarl in HOURS leading up to the launch AND an even GREATER snarl in the HOURS after launch as EVERYONE attempts to be "first-in-line" to get to a launch viewing site and then "first-in-line" to go home across the clogged and choked thoroughfares and bridges from viewing sites. There will be fender benders and those souls will wait additional HOURS for emergency services, services far too overloaded to immediately respond.

It has been twelve (12) YEARS since NASA sent its last Shuttle to orbit (July 8, 2011). For the last three (3) years (since early 2019), this middle-of-the-County has continued to DECREASE in population and services from Space-based Industry layoffs and, like the remainder of the Nation, shutdowns and loss of businesses from Covid-19. Small business here WILL NOT BE READY for the masses of people that will DEMAND service before and especially after the launch. There are already NO VACANCIES in EVERY hotel and motel within 35 miles.

Hold on to your hats folks, we're in for a rough ride.

Sounds ALMOST AS BAD as the Texas border with Mexico, but our problem has been getting worse for almost 2 years, and continues to get worse.

Bob Riebe · « **Reply #6 on:** August 29, 2022, 09:10:33 AM »

Was he launch shown on any TV channel?

Graybeard · « **Reply #7 on:** August 29, 2022, 12:13:29 PM »

Launch didn't happen. As much trouble as they are having with today's technology they want me to believe they were successful doing this way back in the '60s. You are welcome to buy that BS but I'm not.

Dee · « **Reply #8 on:** August 29, 2022, 01:05:08 PM »

Quote from: Graybeard on August 29, 2022, 12:13:29 PM

Launch didn't happen. As much trouble as they are having with today's technology they want me to believe they were successful doing this way back in the '60s. You are welcome to buy that BS but I'm not.

Are you a "never moonwalker" Bill?

Graybeard · « **Reply #9 on:** August 29, 2022, 05:33:33 PM »

Well I'm a never yet have they walked on the moon kinda guy. They might, maybe, not sure of that, be able to pull it off in the next 5 to 10 years. I have serious doubts man will set foot on Martian soil in the next 100 years and if they do they will die there.

Dixie-Dude · « **Reply #10 on:** August 30, 2022, 04:21:00 AM »

Musk is building several big rockets in Boca Chica, Texas. He will launch soon. His rocket is twice as powerful as NASA's. He plans to send ship to Mars before 2030. His rocket has 16 million lbs of thrust, which is over twice as powerful as Saturn V or the new Artemis rocket NASA spent 20 billion and 10 years building, and costs $2-3 billion per launch. Musk's SpaceX rocket is being funded by their Starlink network internet service. It is also fully reusable. Their Falcon 9 rocket is launching currently about every 2 weeks and they have over 115-120 rocket landings in a row already. Amazing to watch. By using reusable rockets they have about 75% of the worlds market for launching satellites. They are cheaper than anyone right now. Amazing to watch them launch and land.

Here are some pictures:

https://www.gettyimages.com/photos/spacex-starship

Land_Owner · « **Reply #11 on:** August 31, 2022, 12:42:21 AM »

It is fun too, being here and on the "receiving end" of the sonic boom that accompanies a booster returning to the launch site. Windows rattle, auto alarms go off, dogs bark, people are startled. It happens EVERY time!

Dee · « **Reply #12 on:** August 31, 2022, 12:59:35 AM »

Quote from: Land_Owner on August 31, 2022, 12:42:21 AM

It is fun too, being here and on the "receiving end" of the sonic boom that accompanies a booster returning to the launch site. Windows rattle, auto alarms go off, dogs bark, people are startled. It happens EVERY time!

All you need is a high speed chase crashing into your front yard, some stray rounds passing through your kitchen wall, and finding a dead body in your shop, and you'll have half the experience.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #13 on:** August 31, 2022, 01:33:54 AM »

Wow. Just Wow! Searching my memory, I cannot say I have ever been that close nor would I care to have been.

I was referring to the FUN side of high-speed rocket retrieval. I suppose, though it has never occurred, that a rocket, off course, could come inland and wreak havoc.

Dee · « **Reply #14 on:** August 31, 2022, 01:41:03 AM »

Quote from: Land_Owner on August 31, 2022, 01:33:54 AM

Wow. Just Wow! Searching my memory, I cannot say I have ever been that close nor would I care to have been.

I was referring to the FUN side of high-speed rocket retrieval. I suppose, though it has never occurred, that a rocket, off course, could come inland and wreak havoc.

LOL, I'm just messin with ya. The sheriff's office here regularly arrests human smugglers, impounds their vehicles, and releases the illegal border jumpers on the spot, but hey. All that happens a half a mile away from my house.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #15 on:** August 31, 2022, 01:51:12 AM »

I don't know what that's like. Not good though. We have thieves here. They are captured across the county, held in the central jail not far from here, released in the wee hours of the night, wander through our neighborhoods, get "caught" on security cameras, break into unlocked cars, jump fences, steal stuff, etc. If caught in the act, we can't shoot them. Stealing isn't a crime for taking someone's life nor is Road Rage, though that has become increasingly apparent.

We're well into the weeds in this thread now...

Dee · « **Reply #16 on:** August 31, 2022, 02:15:23 AM »

Yeah, my bad on that one. No matter how hard I try, I can't really get interested (at all) concerning the space program.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #17 on:** August 31, 2022, 02:35:56 AM »

It mostly gets a yawn (now) from me too, but I have been its beneficiary and on its front line in design for the latter 1/2 of my adult life. That familiarity cannot be shrugged off.

For the Government, it's mostly a JOBS PROGRAM where "diversity" is measured in concentrating upward mobility and employment opportunity of one ethnicity at one Center, another at another, etc., across the country, and creating the appearance of propriety, spreading the wealth through Federal contracting "push-through" hiring clauses to Small, Disadvantaged, Women-owned, Veteran-owned, Minority-owned businesses, such that in Center to Center "diversity" there becomes a measure of "favoritism" in the way jobs are proposed, reviewed, contracted, and managed. It is subtle, undocumented, and maybe in my mind's eye only....

phalanx · « **Reply #18 on:** August 31, 2022, 07:07:03 AM »

Try, try again. https://www.space.com/artemis-1-moon-mission-launch-september-3

Bob Riebe · « **Reply #19 on:** August 31, 2022, 09:31:39 AM »

I hope all goes well, I still enjoy to watch a launch on television.

phalanx · « **Reply #20 on:** August 31, 2022, 10:24:54 AM »

NASA don't need another blowup. Neither does Space X. It makes us look bad. If it were Russia or China we wouldn't know anyway.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #21 on:** September 02, 2022, 05:07:11 PM »

400,000 estimated VISITORS will view the launch from the shores of THIS COUNTY tomorrow.

Ranger99 · « **Reply #22 on:** September 02, 2022, 06:07:20 PM »

Quote from: Land_Owner on September 02, 2022, 05:07:11 PM

400,000 estimated VISITORS will view the launch from the shores of THIS COUNTY tomorrow.

Sorry to hear of that
Probably lots of carelessly strewn
trash everywhere. After a holiday of
any kind, the road frontage here is
always covered with every manner
of trash you can think of. There's
usually a few miscellaneous pieces
every day, but those leaving the border
jumper parties up and down the block
on the various holidays will carelessly
toss beer empties and food utensils
and plates and cups and such.
Some will just stop in the middle of
the street and puke and/or urinate.

I would imagine with that many launch
watchers/partygoers there'll be
numerous roadside discards
Good Luck

Land_Owner · « **Reply #23 on:** September 02, 2022, 10:52:04 PM »

Insufficient facilities for the half-day, or more, some will spend on our shorelines. Small business is NOT ready for a surge of this magnitude.

phalanx · « **Reply #24 on:** September 03, 2022, 05:16:49 AM »

More NASA screw ups. https://www.foxbusiness.com/technology/artemis-launch-nasa-rocket-leaks-liquid-hydrogen-fuel-second-attempt

A Part of NASA”s problem is all the Bureaucracy. let Space X give it a try. And Pay them out of NASA”s budget.

Land_Owner · « **Reply #25 on:** September 03, 2022, 09:21:23 AM »

...scrubbed, right before lunch. Another Federal boost to the local small business economy!

Casull · « **Reply #26 on:** September 03, 2022, 09:32:41 AM »

Quote from: Graybeard on August 29, 2022, 05:33:33 PM

Well I'm a never yet have they walked on the moon kinda guy. They might, maybe, not sure of that, be able to pull it off in the next 5 to 10 years. I have serious doubts man will set foot on Martian soil in the next 100 years and if they do they will die there.

One easy way to prove that we got there is Apollo 13. If the moon landings were fake, WHY would they fake a FAILED moon landing?

Dixie-Dude · « **Reply #27 on:** September 03, 2022, 09:33:12 AM »

SpaceX will launch a bigger rocket than the Artemis soon. They have permission between now and November. They have it on the launch pad test firing 3-6 engines at a time. It has 33 engines and will be over 15 million lbs of thrust. After all engines are tested, then they will test them all at one time for 15-20 seconds. Then they will prepare for launch. It is fully reusable unlike NASA's in which the boosters will dunk in the ocean. SpaceX's will fly back and land back at the launch pad. SpaceX's rocket is called Starship and the booster is called Superheavy.

Anyway, Their Falcon 9 rocket has launched 29 times this year and will launch between 50-60 times by the end of the year. SpaceX is planning to launch over 100 times next year with Falcon 9 and Starship. They are currently building a second launch tower at Cape Kennedy and they have one at Boca Chica, Texas. They have to launch 42,000 Starlink internet/phone satellites within the next 5 years. They already have over 3,000 up there. Falcon 9 can only launch 40-50 at a time. Starship can launch about 200 at a time, return, load up, and launch again. Starlink service is to pay for their Mars ambitions. It cost about $500 for a 16" satellite and is about $100 a month for service. They have over 700,000 subscribers already in the northern latitudes. They are working their way down to the equator with the various orbits. 1 million customers means SpaceX can make $1 billion a year in profits. Wordwide, this is huge. They are already being used by the Ukrainian military. Our military wants to use them now.

SpaceX has contracts for 6 more crew launches to ISS between now and 2030. They already have about 12 and they send up and bring back supplies and experiments from ISS. They launch 75% of all launches in the world by themselves.

Musk was made fun of by NASA, Boeing and Lockheed when they said they were going to land and reuse their rockets back about 10 years ago when Musk said he was going to do it. Reusing rockets lowers costs. Now everyone else is scrambling to build reusable rockets. Musk is a little weird, but very smart. When he says he is going to do something, he will try to get it done. If it don't work, he will try another way. He blew up a lot of rocket engines and rockets perfecting them. This is what NASA did in the 60's. Today they are afraid to make a mistake because of getting their budget cut. So they are still using 60's and 70's technology to build rockets. Very expensive compared to Musk's SpaceX. NASA should contract for launches instead of building their big rocket.

Dixie-Dude · « **Reply #28 on:** September 03, 2022, 04:14:57 PM »

My former boss' brother was an astronaut. He did not get to go to the moon. But, he flew a shuttle. They went to the moon. With rockets, it can be done and has been done. Mars is much further away. When Mars is closest to earth it takes 3 months to get there at 25,000 mph (about 3 days to the moon). So, it can be done. Rockets take super cold liquid oxygen with a fuel like liquid hydrogen, methane (natural gas), or room temperature K1 Kerosene. Some take solid rocket engines. Solids, once ignited, can't stop and are only used for boosters. Liquid engines can be turned on and off. However, the cold fuel and liquid oxygen needed makes it harder.

I have been to the Kennedy Space center in Florida, seen a shuttle launch, and have visited the NASA center in Huntsville. Lots of rockets and history.