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Offline Dali Llama

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"Conceal/carry is worse for state"
« on: March 07, 2004, 05:23:59 AM »
Arne Carlson: Conceal/carry is worse for state
 
 
March 7, 2004 OPQA0307

Allowing more Minnesotans to carry concealed handguns "offers no benefits for public safety, and simply increases fear and anxiety," said Republican former Gov. Arne Carlson last week, as he helped launch a campaign to repeal Minnesota's 2003 conceal/carry law.

Carlson and former Vice President Walter Mondale are cochairs of the Repeal Conceal Committee.

Here are excerpts from Carlson's remarks at a Capitol news conference:

"Minnesota has been a state where all of its institutions focused on improving our quality of life. Our traditional assumption was that a new policy would be an improvement over the old. That was the test. Now, we find that the bar has been lowered.

"In the case of conceal and carry, the test should be that a new law would favorably improve the public's safety. Otherwise, why change?

"Did that happen? Absolutely not. The Minnesota Department of Public Safety declared last month that there is no evidence so far that the new law has made the state safer. Wow! What a ringing endorsement.

"Past law dealt with this sensitive issue by allowing local governments to exercise judgment and control. That law served us well. Why then the pressure for change?"

When asked whether he had evidence that the new handgun law had made Minnesota less safe, Carlson said, "I think that's a very poor test. We don't pass a law because we don't think it will cause more harm than current law. Place yourselves in the position of going to a surgeon who says, 'I'm not so sure this surgery will work, but let's try it and see what happens. It's no worse than the old surgery.' That doesn't enhance your sense of confidence.

"The test always was, and prayerfully will return, that any law that is approved by the Legislature and signed by the governor presumably improves our quality of life. The Department of Public Safety says that this law did not."

If allowing the carrying of concealed guns "contains great virtue, I'm bothered by the fact that they impose security measures for themselves [at the Capitol complex] that they take away from the rest of us. Why is their workplace more secure than my workplace? Why are my employees subject to a law that the lawmakers themselves refuse to live by?

"The very government that passes laws is the very government that turns around and says, 'This law does not apply to us.' Are we saying that those people who make the law are so privileged that they don't have to suffer the consequences of their own law, but the rest of us are so inconsequential that we have to?"
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Arne Carlson is a dolt
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2004, 06:34:08 AM »
"I'm bothered by the fact that they impose security measures for themselves [at the Capitol complex] that they take away from the rest of us. Why is their workplace more secure than my workplace? Why are my employees subject to a law that the lawmakers themselves refuse to live by?"


As usual Gov. Carlson has it wrong.  The State Capitol complex is a public place, and as such the carrying of handguns by permit holders is allowed by law if the permit holder has informed the head of the DPS of their intent to do so.  This is usually done via registered letter, and once done need not be done again.  Private employers, on the other hand, may ban any and all weapons in the workplace as they see fit.
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2004, 09:10:24 AM »
Taking politicians seriously only makes you nuts.

Greater freedom is always an improvement.
It is the duty of the good citizen to love his country and hate his gubmint.

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« Reply #3 on: March 08, 2004, 02:11:22 AM »
Quote from: Leftoverdj
Greater freedom is always an improvement.
...to allow for homosexual "marriages," ask Dali Llama??? :?  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #4 on: March 08, 2004, 08:14:48 AM »
Yup, even that, Dali.

What you are subbornly ignoring is that using the gubmint against folks YOU find personally distasteful but who are not doing you any harm opens the door to the government moving against anyone that the others find distasteful.

And a lot of folks flat hate gun owners.

The price of freedom is extending freedom to folks you don't like as well.
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« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2004, 04:17:27 PM »
Quote from: Leftoverdj
Yup, even that, Dali.

What you are subbornly ignoring is that using the gubmint against folks YOU find personally distasteful but who are not doing you any harm opens the door to the government moving against anyone that the others find distasteful.

Dali Llama say he curious how Leftoverdj able so cavalierly say homosexuals not do Dali any harm? :?  :?  :?
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« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2004, 06:05:27 PM »
The Dali Llama is humbly invited to explain just how homosexual marriage harms his person, property or liberty?

And is gently reminded that his religion, morals, and sensitivities are only of importance to himself.
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« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2004, 06:21:42 PM »
Dali:

I humbly invoke your infinite wisdom on the following statement:

Two people have freedom.  One uses it for good, and the other uses it for bad.  Does this now mean that they both have too much freedom?
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« Reply #8 on: March 09, 2004, 02:08:18 AM »
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Dali:

I humbly invoke your infinite wisdom on the following statement:

Two people have freedom.  One uses it for good, and the other uses it for bad.  Does this now mean that they both have too much freedom?
Dali Llama say such set of facts could imply numerous things, including that one be good person and other be bad person. :-)  :D
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"Conceal/carry is worse for state"
« Reply #9 on: March 25, 2004, 02:17:57 AM »
Back to the original subject;

  The Gov. is right....concealed carry is bad for the state...

   IT SHOULD BE OPEN CARRY !!!
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