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Offline DDO

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« on: February 11, 2004, 07:14:26 AM »
Whenever some one is shot in the movies the first thing they want to do is to dig out the bullet/arrow.  Do any of you know of any accounts of this happening. I know of several incidents where the opposite was true. I think Cole Younger had 11 bullets in his body when he finally died, not of those wounds. Jesse James carried a bullet in his chest from the Civil War. Jim Bridger had an arrow head lodged in his back for many years. One Civil War General was shot and told the bullet would kill him. It did 40 years later. I carried a piece of shrapnel in my leg for 20 years. The one account I know of a historical personage who had his wound probed for the bullet who died. Modern doctors said he would have probably survived his wound if the doctors hadn't probed for it; Abe Lincoln.

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« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2004, 10:15:17 AM »
Don't have any facts, but the stuff we see in the movies is often faulty, so this may be too. I figure with the primative medicine of the time bullets and such were often left in. The bigest problem would be from objects too close to vital organ and infection from stuff the bullet carried in with it. I have read that the .41 Remington Derringers were so greatly feared not for their power, which was minimal, but for the blood poisoning that often was caused by the bullet.
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« Reply #2 on: February 11, 2004, 10:19:02 AM »
Don't know, but watch the part in "Tombstone" after Morgan is shot.....wonder what really killed him, the bullet, or the Doctor with that probe?  :eek:

Medicine was pretty primitive, but even today they call it "practising medicine".....you'd think in all these years someone could have figured it out.  :-D  :D
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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2004, 10:48:45 AM »
DOCTORS, HEALERS, and HEALTH
The State of Medicine in the Old West

by Christine Jeffords



"Most physicians charged according to a "fee table" fitted to the economic realities of the specific practise: a country or small-town doctor might make $3000-$4000/yr. as early as 1840 (though some managed no more than $1040--which, at $86 and change a month, was still a good deal better than most nonprofessional workers), an aggressive city physician in the '50's $80,000. Even a Western practise could bring in an annual income of $7000--a very large sum in those days. Typical charges included the following: sterilization and bandaging of a cut (not requiring stitches), 20-50c.; lancing of a carbuncle, 50c.; use of syringe, $1; bleeding, $1-$2; treatment of a wound made by a bullet that went clean through, the same; removal of a bullet, $1-$5; cleaning, stitching, and bandaging of a wound, $2; cupping, $2-$5; correction of a broken nose, $4; surgical operations, $5-$25 (presumably depending upon difficulty); delivery of a baby, $25-$50 (though most demanded only $10), plus a 50% surcharge by night. Mileage was extra, up to 50c. per (sometimes the first mile was $2 flat), with country visits at night double the day rate, a dollar for the consultation, and medications as needed (usually 25-50c./dose) plus $1-$1.50 prescriptive fee. A single visit in town (or a consultation at the doctor's office) cost $2, two on the same day $3, and a night visit in town $3. If the doctor doubled as a dentist, he might charge from 25c. to $1.50 to pull an infected tooth, 50c.-$2 to fill one (probably varying with the substance employed), $1-$3.50 for dentures, and $47 for complete extraction, including hypodermic, false teeth, and three days' bed and board."


The above excerpt seems to indicate that some bullets were, in fact, removed.  If you are interested in that kind of stuff you might want to browse the entire article at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~poindexterfamily/ChristinesPages/Doctors.html and pay particular attention to the level of formal medical training most MDs had during that era.  Makes you wonder how any of our ancestors survived.  

My great great grandfather was a well respected frontier doctor, born in MA, married and practiced medicine in Kentucky, moved his family to Gonzales County, Texas in 1857, then to what would become Blanco County, TX in 1860.  He practiced medicine in both counties.  In 1870 he became the Medical Officer of Company B, Frontier Forces (a Reconstruction era Ranger organization, which immediately preceded the better known Frontier Battalion of the Texas Rangers).  The unit operated in the Fort Griffin area.  He died in 1887 after being badly burned when an alcohol mixture he was working with exploded.  Try as we might, we have been unable to find any record of his formal medical training.  That said, I don’t necessarily think those bloody movie scenes of bullets being clumsily (by modern day standards) probed and  removed are such a stretch, and only for cinematic effect.

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« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2004, 11:15:52 PM »
Dang ya Hamp-
Ya got a yellow page di-retory on yer table? You can come up with an answer or talk on tha most obscure thangs.
Now I can talk bout obscure or meaningless thangs with tha best but ya'll never bring em up.
BTW can ya refill tha water in a level if ya can patch tha hole?
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« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2004, 12:02:06 PM »
It's interesting that delivering a baby cost so much in relation to everything else, especially considering that a lot of infants (and mothers) died in childbirth.

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« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2004, 01:25:16 PM »
Can't say for sure, but I don't think it was the actual delivery that cost so much.  Got to consider that the Doc had to go to the about-to-be mother's residence (travel time to and from), and be there for untold hours until the baby was delivered.  The Doc obviously couldn't be seeing other patients until he returned to his office, therefore he had to compensate for that lost income by charging the higher fee.  Most other services could have been handled in his office.
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« Reply #7 on: March 21, 2004, 10:09:32 PM »
My great grandmother and her mother before her were midwifes.She told me that they charged the equivalent of 5 to 10 dollars.She also did stitches, minor surgerys, and pulled teeth. Also would fill bullet holes with no questions asked. If a girl was in trouble they would "stay"with her for a while. because  she could keep quiet.My great grandmother quit working as a midwife around 1960, but would still do stitches and the like.