Osama Obama major crime figure

[ironglow]

  Was Obama there in the audience, cheering wildly with the majority, when "Pastor' Jeremiah Wright shouted "God D_ _ _  America" ?

  Skip to about 1:40 if you wish to hear the quote..   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix-AMYos0Js
 
  With all that "hate America" and "hate whitey" speech going on, could some of the pure vitriol have rubbed off?

  This I can say..  Did I have a pastor who shouted "God D_ _ _  America" and "hate black people", I would surely, not have sat there and sucked it all
   in, but I would reject such tripe, and rebuked such a hate monger !

[darkgael]

  DG seems, some how to know for a fact that there was no connection between Rivers death and her comment.

This is the story:

supposed to undergo a routine endoscopy to diagnose why she was suffering a sore throat, a hoarse voice and strained vocal cords. Like dry cleaning, she'd be in by 9 and out by noon. Nobody foresaw a need for defibrillators, breathing tubes or sirens wailing on the ride to Mount Sinai Hospital, a mile away, where Ms. Rivers was kept on life support until she died a week later, on Sept. 4. But things went wrong inside Yorkville Endoscopy. Horribly wrong.
Callous and cavalier?
Routine endoscopy? Hardly. From privileges and propofol to selfies and safety standards, the 81-year-old comedienne's death leaves a trail of unanswered questions about what took place at the freestanding surgery center in midtown Manhattan and puts the safety of outpatient surgery once again under scrutiny.
"When death occurs to someone who is well-known, it seems like the roof's falling in," says anesthesiologist David Shapiro, MD, the former president of the Ambulatory Surgery Center Association. "That's not the case. Outpatient surgery in accredited facilities is safe. Not perfect, but safe. It's sad to me that the whole model of delivery of care has been questioned."
At press time, the New York City medical examiner hadn't yet reached a conclusion on what caused the death of Ms. Rivers, but he might want to list a callous disregard for safety and a cavalier attitude as contributing factors.
If we are to believe widespread reports and speculation about what happened on the morning of Aug. 28, Ms. Rivers, after sailing through many age-defying cosmetic surgeries without incident — "I've had so much plastic surgery, when I die, they will donate my body to Tupperware," she once joked — didn't die from the scheduled endoscopy. Gastro-enterologist Lawrence Cohen, MD, who was the medical director of the clinic until resigning after Ms. Rivers's death, reportedly found a polyp when he performed the endoscopy. Reports say he then let Ms. Rivers's personal otolaryngologist, who was neither credentialed nor privileged at the ASC, perform a biopsy on her vocal cords. The throat doctor, identified as Gwen Korvin, MD, was only authorized to observe Dr. Cohen. It's unclear whether Ms. Rivers had given Dr. Korvin consent to perform a biopsy.
The airway manipulation during Dr. Korvin's attempted biopsy likely triggered a laryngospasm, which led to cardiac arrest. Attempts to rescue Ms. Rivers failed, which has fueled speculation that there wasn't an anesthesiologist in the room.
"Sedation for upper GI procedures is extremely tricky," says Louis G. Stanfield, CRNA, PhD, pain management specialist at the Skiff Medical Center in Newton, Iowa. "The instrument goes right by the airway and all it takes is a little blob of mucus or some other irritation and the vocal cords can snap shut. The longer a laryngospasm persists, the more deleterious it is and the harder it is to break."
While a laryngospasm is not an uncommon response to a vocal cord biopsy, experts say it shouldn't have proven fatal. "Anesthesiologists are trained to treat airway issues," says Dr. Shapiro, adding that reversing or "breaking" a laryngospasm requires practiced airway rescue skills.
"Laryngospasm. That is the stuff of nightmares," says Dr. Shapiro. "The patient is dropping off a cliff and you've got one opportunity to reach your hand out and connect with their hand and secure the airway. Otherwise, they're going down."
It's unclear if an anesthesiologist, who would be trained in sedation and intubation, was in the room with Ms. Rivers. Yorkville released a statement saying that "only licensed medical doctors who are board-certified anesthesiologists administer anesthesia at the clinic. Our anesthesiologists monitor the patient continuously utilizing state-of-the-art monitoring equipment, and remain at the bedside throughout the procedure and into recovery."
Then there was the embarrassing selfie. A staff member at Yorkville reportedly told investigators that Dr. Korvin took a selfie photo in the procedure room of herself and the sedated Ms. Rivers. "She will think this is funny," Dr. Korvin reportedly said as she snapped the picture. "A selfie in the procedure room when the patient is asleep? Not very smart," says Ashish Sinha, MD, PhD, an associate professor of anesthesiology at Philadelphia's Drexel University College of Medicine.
In a statement, Dr. Korvin denies "performing an unauthorized procedure" and also "categorically denies" taking the selfie. Yorkville Endoscopy is denying reports that a vocal cord biopsy has ever been done at the clinic. The New York State Health Department is investigating the case.

How do I know that this is accurate? Knowing some of the people involved and their backgrounds. And one of them screwed up.

[TrumpWon]

People Drawn to Conspiracy Theories Share a Cluster of Psychological Features

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-drawn-to-conspiracy-theories-share-a-cluster-of-psychological-features/

[Dee]

People Drawn to Conspiracy Theories Share a Cluster of Psychological Features

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-drawn-to-conspiracy-theories-share-a-cluster-of-psychological-features/

So do trolls

[ironglow]

People Drawn to Conspiracy Theories Share a Cluster of Psychological Features

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/people-drawn-to-conspiracy-theories-share-a-cluster-of-psychological-features/

  Well, I read your article, and it seemed to be quite eclectic in his choice of  conspiracy theories that some folks believe in. He doesn't take into
   account that there is often much contrary evidence. 
  His motives are clear when he seems to say there is no contrary evidence to the "Global warming" discussion. Obviously, he may well have fallen for the "climate change" conspiracy theory.

  Obviously, you believed Al Gore, when he said there would be no Arctic Ice cap by 2012, and somehow jiustified all those wealthy greenies who
   bought ocean front homes in recent years !

  Typical of so ,many lefties.. "My theories are based on fact..your theories are conspiracies". Don't you realize that almost
   everybody thinks much that way, no matter which side of the fence they are on..or even if they are in the same pasture.? 

    The only difference is that the leftists are more imperious and arrogant, concerning their theories !!

  It seems that just a couple years ago a large share of adults (?) believe in a conspiracy theory concerning Pres Trump and "Russian collusion".

  Some even endorsed a conspiracy theory pertaining to a "Russian dossier", until it was PROVEN to be false...

  Then there was a conspiracy theory put forth bone man named Mueller, and thousands praised it , until it was shown that Mueller has no ,more
   stable mind than has Biden.

   There are a few yet who like to relish mucking around in another conspiracy story concerning Pres Trump and some porn actress; and this with no
     proof extant!  Even she eventually admitted it isn't true.

  These deluded folks harbor many conspiracy theories..and most surrounding one man..who stands far above those conspiracy inventors..

[TrumpWon]

Sorry to get off Obama as the topic but isn't it interesting how all your supposed "leftist conspiracy theories" have all resulted in numerous indictments?

Are there any out there, related to the Obama's, I've been missing?

[ironglow]

Sorry to get off Obama as the topic but isn't it interesting how all your supposed "leftist conspiracy theories" have all resulted in numerous indictments?

Are there any out there, related to the Obama's, I've been missing?

   Simple answer, simple enough for a lefty to understand..if they will.  The right tends to prosecute only when a genuine crime has been committed,
  while the neo-left (not traditional liberals) tend to use any goofy angle they can dig up, to uise as a political weapon.

  You will note of course, the spurious nature of the charges lodged against Trump and his associates.  I think we all know how afraid Biden
  is of Trump. Of course, observing Biden's mental decline, his fears are understood and confirmed..

[TrumpWon]

I get the part about only the right prosecuting only real crimes.
The "goofy angle" thing is confusing. Doesn't the justice department apply laws equally to everyone?
Are laws applied differently depending on the administration in power? I ask because many of the people indicted because of your Russian collusion/Mueller/Russian dossier/Stormy "conspiracy theories" were done while Trump was president. How does the justice department decide if they're going to prosecute from a rightist or neo-left ideology?
What do "traditional liberals" do differently than the "neo-left"

[ironglow]

I get the part about only the right prosecuting only real crimes.
The "goofy angle" thing is confusing. Doesn't the justice department apply laws equally to everyone?
Are laws applied differently depending on the administration in power? I ask because many of the people indicted because of your Russian collusion/Mueller/Russian dossier/Stormy "conspiracy theories" were done while Trump was president. How does the justice department decide if they're going to prosecute from a rightist or neo-left ideology?
What do "traditional liberals" do differently than the "neo-left"

   Trumpy says..  "  Doesn't the justice department apply laws equally to everyone?  Are laws applied differently depending on the
   administration in power?

  All I c an say to ^^this^^, is...  "man, you sure are out of the loop !"  While Biden has thousands of classified paoers stored in his garage, near the
 Ccorvette, and Trump has a couple hundred stored in a locked vault, is a security heavy home in Florida..Merrick Garland, sees fit , only to challenge
   Trump.

  ..And Biden lifted his documents while he was a senator and vice president, while Trump declassified his documents while president.
 
  Presidents can legally declassify and keep some documents, but senators and VPs cannot, therefore, technically all of Bidens papers taken before
   the last two years were a betrayal of his security clearance.

  All presidents keep some papers, for later books they expect to write etc.  Obama can legally possess some, just as bush or Clinton (Bill that is)
   can also possess some.  That is the reason they haven't bothered him..along with political considerations..

  BTW: As I recall, the supposed "collusion' Mueller acccused Trump of, was supposed to have occurred before Trump was elected. In any case, it does not matter, since the whole thing has been proven a DNC hoax.
   
    The alleged Stormy Daniels incident was reported by the Wall Street Journal in October 2016, just before Trump was elected..evidently just another "October surprise" lie !

  https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/stormy-daniels-denies-affair-donald-trump-never-happened-010513645.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9kdWNrZHVja

   Then there was the 30,000 documents on Hillary's cell phone, which she is still boasting of destroying, so she could not be confronted.. she
   should not at that point have had any classified info on a public accessible phone..especially since she never was president and could no declassify
   them.

[ironglow]

  Another point;

   You asked.. "What do "traditional liberals" do differently than the "neo-left"

  That is an easy question to answer:

     A traditional liberal says..  "I don't agree with what you say, but I will defend your right to say it !

      The commie left says. "You have no right to speak, especially since you are a white man"

   Yes, the Commie left is continually insulting and condemning white men in particular...while accusing THEM of being "racist"..
   
   That is one thing that makes that left seem to be truly stupid ! Calling others "racist" while actively practicing racism themselves !

  They also have condemned men in general..while themselves being unable to differentiate between men and women..

  The old, traditional liberal (e.g. Alan Dershowitz) hjonores our constitution, care for the USA, and are comparatively speaking, honest in
  what they say.
 

  Leftists are just as truth-denying and ridiculous, as the super rich leftists who claim that the melting ice caps will inundate our seashores within
   the next few years...then they proceed to pay millions for an ocean front home..
   
   https://news.yahoo.com/climate-activists-invest-property-beaches-110000244.html

[TrumpWon]

Seems to be some big differences in the Trump, Biden, Pence and Clinton cases. Transparency being the big issue.

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/donald-trumps-classified-documents-case-joe-biden-hillary/story?id=100011485

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64230040

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/show/how-trumps-classified-material-case-is-different-from-clintons-and-bidens

https://apnews.com/article/biden-politics-united-states-government-michael-pence-us-federal-bureau-of-investigation-9c2d7f472b8ff63f76f2c9fbb03dfde2