Political duplicity..

[ironglow]

 We hear the talking heads place the public in just 2  political categories...either those wioth a degree or without a degree, thereby showing
  their dividing line for the population.

  There are many dividing lines however..those with a home, a business, a trade, a bank account or whether they are city, suburb or rural.'
   Christian or not, maybe even by height or weight...which would make as much sense..

  The left for instance, has already gone back to segregation days of..... segregating by race !

  It seems these talking heads are implying that those with a "degree" are somehow different or superior to those who have none; a silly assumption.

  We know that degrees bear little relationship to common sense.. e.g. Charlie Kirk, as he debates the degreed or degree seekers, on their own
  campus..

  By dividing at the degree point, these media memes are lumping many successful business  people and right living people in with the usual
   homeless by choice, drug addict, hippie dropout and etc.

  If they must divide perhaps they can do so by height, weight or hair..which would make about as much sense.

  Yes, I have a degree, but it counts for zed..where common sense and logic are concerned.. again, see Charlie Kirk, who has none.

[moamonkey]

As I say, ‘education is not synonymous with intelligence’. I spent the majority of my working life in technical fields, some of the biggest idiots I have ever encountered were ‘educated’. Seems they were given a piece of paper to hang on a wall, to remind them very day, just how smart they’re supposed to be.

[DDZ]

Used to be men got out of high school and went to work. Its how America was built. Now men get out of high school, go to college, get indoctrinated in leftist ideology, and learn how to hate America. 

[DDZ]

Here's an example of the product today from so called education.

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlVMMh1hQXU

[Land_Owner]

Having been a degree carrying desk jockey all of my adult life, I can Readily admit there are Mechanical and logistical Elements of the working Society that I can neither perform nor Understand.

The use of Industrial machines is not in my wheelhouse. I cannot run a lathe, Mill a screw, Turn a rod, Or even weld. Yet I can specify to one micron For the performance of work. Someone has to lay it out On paper in advance To coordinate all of the parts and pieces. It is a symbiotic relationship between the degreed Persons and the shop.

[victorcharlie]

While a degree is a good thing, depending on what it's in, it sure seems funny the number of graduates who seem to have issues paying for their student loans. 

So why is a person without a degree, expected to pay for a person who borrowed to obtain it?

So, if a degree won't provide the income to pay back the loan, then those who borrow to get the degree are really suckers.

If the taxpayers allow this to continue they too, are suckers.

So why, if there is an issue with the loans being paid back, is the government still making the loans?  Simply bad business IMO.

I see the higher education business as kind of like Sears, who had a catalog of stuff to sell, but was in reality, in the credit business and just used the stuff to drive the business, and then went bankrupt.

[DDZ]

What I said earlier was maybe a bit of a stretch. We do need higher educated people in todays world. I just think that a large majority of college professors are as liberal as you can get, and many of them think they have to teach that ideology to their students. 

Yes having tax payers pay for a students loan because they can't afford it, is no different than if tax payers had to pay for someone's car or home loan because they couldn't afford it. The thought shouldn't even be entertained. Many students get into a field in their higher learning education that there is no demand for. The graduate, can't find work in what field they studied, and end up living with mom and dad into their 30's, while working a job that they would have not needed a 50K education for. One thing I stipulated to my sons entering college. Was to choose a degree that their is a demand for. They did, and both have well paying jobs that they can support a family with, and also pay for their loans.     

[gene_225]

What I said earlier was maybe a bit of a stretch. We do need higher educated people in todays world. I just think that a large majority of college professors are as liberal as you can get, and many of them think they have to teach that ideology to their students. 

Yes having tax payers pay for a students loan because they can't afford it, is no different than if tax payers had to pay for someone's car or home loan because they couldn't afford it. The thought shouldn't even be entertained. Many students get into a field in their higher learning education that there is no demand for. The graduate, can't find work in what field they studied, and end up living with mom and dad into their 30's, while working a job that they would have not needed a 50K education for. One thing I stipulated to my sons entering college. Was to choose a degree that their is a demand for. They did, and both have well paying jobs that they can support a family with, and also pay for their loans.   

You know, many years ago, my father sat me down and said: "I hear you want to go to college." I answered: "Yes I think I'd like to." He responded: "You need to get a job because I can't afford to send you. And I've been hearing you want to go to Iowa State". Again I responded: "yes I think I'd like to go to Iowa State." and he replied: "Then you better get a better job."  Well, I didn't get a better job so I went to the local university and got a degree in Engineering. And, like Land_Owner I spent some time in the office putting plans and spec.s together and some in the field getting the data needed to create the designs. Point is I borrowed $500 one semester and had it paid back within a couple of years of entering the Air Force.

[Land_Owner]

The rally cry used to be "scholarship or service". If you could not get the first then you settled for the second. The second usually put meat on your bones and softened up your heart so that when you got out you would pay attention and do your best.

[gypsyman]

  My analogy of this, take it for what it's worth. To many people making decisions in a field, including and especially politics, that have never walked the walk. Or, as I like to phrase it, it's a man telling a woman how it's going to feel giving birth. To many handouts and freebies, domestic and foreign. No accountability to those that break the law. And people being punished for defending our freedoms and rights because it upsets certain people.

[ironglow]

  My analogy of this, take it for what it's worth. To many people making decisions in a field, including and especially politics, that have never walked the walk. Or, as I like to phrase it, it's a man telling a woman how it's going to feel giving birth. To many handouts and freebies, domestic and foreign. No accountability to those that break the law. And people being punished for defending our freedoms and rights because it upsets certain people.

  Brings to mind the folks who claim Pete Hegseth is not near qualified to serve a Secretary of Defense.

[Lost Oki]

I finished my BS in business at 55 yrs old while working as the Safety, Environmental and training coordinator for an automotive parts supplier.  A degree that my employer paid 90% of.  General Manager had earned his degree while working and hired based on knowledge and experience rather than what degree you had.  Over the years I have had the privilege of working with Engineers with bachelor, master and doctorate degrees.  Most felt the degree was a nice paper to hang on the wall, and not afraid to get their hands dirty. Unfortunately I have also had the opportunity to work with alleged professionals that felt they were smarter than the average bear (thats me being polite).  I have found that it did not matter if they were American, German or  Japanese, man or women.  Some were difficult and others easy to work with, again, just my experience.  I made the mistake of jokingly calling a young female chemical engineer a name in reference to her age group.  Got immediately corrected, told not to associate her with them because she had a job, drank bourbon and owned a pistol and knew how to use it, I took her at her word.

[wtxbadger]

Trained more degreed professionals than I care to count in accounting, operations, automation/IT and other disciplines in the oil patch for well over thirty years with nothing more than a HS diploma. Tried college right after HS and it was boring as heck and not for me. No disrespect for those with a degree but college wasn't for me and I taught myself along the way no matter the job I was working at the time.

With Hegseth you have someone with both sides of the equation and I figure he'll do a heck of a job in getting things straightened out.

[Land_Owner]

The business of engineering is not taught in college nor is it conferred with a degree.

[ironglow]

The business of engineering is not taught in college nor is it conferred with a degree.

  Most cool heads view a degree as a starting point, rather than the finish line.  Those who adopt finish line position, too often end up managing
  a McDonalds somewhere.