Another "Inline" Trashed

[Wolfhound]

Like to play around with stuff, and will probably try patched round ball with blackpowder in my Encore barrel

Lower powder charges is the key. 30-60 gr of powder and a .490 rb with a .015 patch has produced good results in a couple 1/28 guns. They're good plinkers and even work well when barking squirrels or headshooting bunnies. I had an old 1/32 CVA that would shoot full strength hunting loads with roundballs extremely accurately. All it takes is some experimenting to get the results you want.

[xnmr53]

sabot loader,

I have no problem with you and your kind, just so long as you keep to your place.  :lol:

That would not be in the primitive hunts. For that matter, I have my doubts about the rest of you nipplehuggers.  

[sabotloader]

XNR53, I agree with you, for the most part I have totally given up my centerfires - I hunt during the regular season with an inline, scoped and sabots... During the muzzleloading season I use a Thompson, or the Lyman, and during primitive season the choice is made for me by the Idaho Fish and Game.

I truly love both types of equipment, i shoot the heck out of them recreationally and for hunting.  What I was trying to get to not to abolish us sidelock users from the "Traditional" side of the conversation because i don't choose to shoot Rb's.  This site has been a constant source of information for me and I really enjoy it - but i got the implication that some posters here only want real "traditionalists" to post on this site.  I guess I don't agree with that thought.  I have four sidelocks and I am open to learn and I have, there has been a lot of valuable information for both non-traditionals and traditionalists here.

I do value the "traditionalist" during our Mountain Man/Trapper unit, i did take the side locks in to the classroom, we loaded them with black pepper corns, dropped in a patched ball, used the ram rod and simulated putting a cap on by putting a leather cap on the gun.  Students that wanted to do this activity were encouraged to do so.  We even shot them in the classroom - well sort of - I used a CO2 canister and expelled the ball out the barrel against concrete block wall, the force of the CO2 and concrete wall started the ball distort.  The students really enjoyed this practical portion of the course.  Granted I am sure that rollingb could have given a much better presentation, but ....

Can there not be enough room on this site for both of us to co-exist.  I really hope so.

[rollingb]

Sabotloader,.... I can "co-exist" with those of you thet don't consider "traditionalist" as some kind'a "wannabe's",....... but instead,...... try'n understand thet ther are "THOSE" of us who make a "study" of old and traditional muzzleloaders and other "facets" of a "by-gone era" in our nation's history!!

Some of this "study" is accomplished by apply'n practical application thru "living history research",.... in other "words",.. we read about something in "documents, letters, and stories",.. then we use practical application to apply what we've discovered in order to see if it works for us,... if it don't,... then it's back to "MORE" research.

I have always tryed to tell folks thet I personaly think, ALL of the "above" should be considered irrespective, "EXCEPT" only those "things" directly associated with the historical (traditional), firearms, powder, and projectiles, themselves and ther "traditional place and application" on this,..... "TRADITIONAL" Muzzle Loading Rifle & Shotgun Forum!!

Some folks jest DON'T like hear'n tha "truth" if it conflicts with sumpthin thet they've purchased with ther hard-earned money.... and I can certainly understand thet, and I have no problem with ther "attitude" 'long as they don't attempt to call me (or, my friends) "names", accuse us of be'n "holier than thou", or attempt to mislead shooters in regards to the term "traditional",.... and etc.
To "bend the rules" is one thing,.. but to declare the "bent rules" as "traditional" is anuther!!  

As you well know ('cause you are a history teacher),.... "HISTORY IS IMPORTANT", as a learn'n tool for the future,.. but,.. only if it is presented "correctly" when it is discussed or studied!!

So "YEAH",.... I think, I can "git along" with a "history teacher"!!  

On all the "other" sites I frequent,... my "signature line" is,.......
"History DOES repeat itself!!"

(I don't know why I ain't never changed it here!!)

[Roger_Dailey]

I "STILL" don't see wher Ole'Joe said he refused to help the guy!!

I don't either.  That's why I apoligize for mis-reading his statement.

Some folks seem to enjoy "READ'N STUFF" into anuther's post, jest fer tha "SAKE OF ARGUMENT",.... then turn 'round and make STUPID accusations!!!!

I agree 100%.  That seems to be a TRADITION around here.

[Roger_Dailey]

However,,, I don't like, "inlines", never have, never will!  I feel it will be the ruination of traditional muzzle loading...  I'm from the old school when it comes to front stuffers...  

I don't like the things either, they're ugly in my opinion.  The first muzzleloader I owned was an inline (about 1973).  The only reason I bought it instead of a tradtional was price.  As I remember, it was about $65-75 and the only traditional type I knew about was the T/C Hawken at over $150.  My inline was 58 caliber.  I cast balls and used old blue jeans for patching.  It sort of quenched my thirst, but left a bitter aftertaste.  I've since then moved on to more traditional pieces.  

Like the mountain men before us, it appears we're gettin' pushed to the side again by modern civilization... Well, we need to keep a strong stand for traditional muzzle loading!

Yes, modern civilization will always push forward.  It is not because people are mean spirited, it is all because of money.  The blossom in modern muzzleloading is all about money.  I believe the only way to fight it is to "pull" it.  That is, we need to always present a positive face.
Take care, have fun....
Roger D.

[sabotloader]

Sabotloader,.... I can "co-exist" with those of you thet don't consider "traditionalist" as some kind'a "wannabe's",....... but instead,...... try'n understand thet ther are "THOSE" of us who make a "study" of old and traditional muzzleloaders and other "facets" of a "by-gone era" in our nation's history!!

Rollingb, excellent statement and I agree with you a 100%.  Why would I or should anybody else tell you to trash what ever you choose, or how you to choose, to shoot or for recreation, hunting, and pure ENJOYMENT.

Reversing the whole situation at the range, had I walked in and you were having difficulties shooting what ever you were shooting, I certainly would have watched and tried to learn from what you were doing and how you were doing it, if you were shooting a match lock, wheel lock, flinter, percussion, inliner or even an out-of-liner, I believe there is room for me to learn.  I must also agree my competitive instincts would also be there telling MYSELF I can outshoot him, because I believe I can, not necessarily because of different equipment, but because I am a good shot.  The error occurred, if there was an error, when someone suggeted the possibility of trashing the product.

Happy shooting - if you are ever in north Idaho - look me up we will go charge up our shoulder cannons and touch them off, but I will git closer to the X....

[propredator]

Dang it Rolling its your turn This is good enertainment for us lurkers.
remember the squables we used to have over on the old shooters form about this stuff  
 I for one wood like to thank you for putten up with me thru it all  :oops:
 Yous ok by me  :-D  :-D  :-D
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If it aint a roundball,i aint shooten it  :wink:

[Ohio Joe]

Funny how many folks out there think I just let this guy scratch his head when he couldn't hit the gong at 100 yards...  Again, "zeroing in on that gong," were his words, not mine!  I tried to help him but it fell on deaf ears...  When we shot my rifle and he saw how superior it functioned compared to his, "junk" (again his words), he was a scratchin' his head again...  I assume he was trying to figure out how he could have been suckered in by the manufactures of such worthless crap to have spent $179 dollars???  I have always said, and I stand by my words...  "I have yet to see an inline that could out shoot a good 'ol traditional muzzle loader using the patched round ball!"  I do not have time to go through life teaching you inline shooters everything I know about traditional muzzle loading...  For cryin' out'loud,,, you bought it,,, you ought'a take the time to learn how to shoot it!!! :roll:

[rollingb]

Propredator,.... By golly!!.. yore more'n "WELCOME" ol' friend!!  

Hey!!..... How'ya like my "new" signature-line at the bottom of my posts?? :eek:  :-D  

[rollingb]

Sabotloader,.... I can "co-exist" with those of you thet don't consider "traditionalist" as some kind'a "wannabe's",....... but instead,...... try'n understand thet ther are "THOSE" of us who make a "study" of old and traditional muzzleloaders and other "facets" of a "by-gone era" in our nation's history!!

Rollingb, excellent statement and I agree with you a 100%.  Why would I or should anybody else tell you to trash what ever you choose, or how you to choose, to shoot or for recreation, hunting, and pure ENJOYMENT.

Happy shooting - if you are ever in north Idaho - look me up we will go charge up our shoulder cannons and touch them off, but I will git closer to the X....

I cain't think of a better way of spend'n an afternoon of,.... "shoot'n off-hand"!!  :toast:  

I'll be sure'n bring a liddle money along,... for tha "occasion"!! :mrgreen:  :agree:

[propredator]

Rollingb i like it I think mine is about right for the way i feel about front stuffers anymore
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If it aint a roundball,i aint shooten it :wink:

[Redhawk1]

Funny how many folks out there think I just let this guy scratch his head when he couldn't hit the gong at 100 yards...  Again, "zeroing in on that gong," were his words, not mine!  I tried to help him but it fell on deaf ears...  When we shot my rifle and he saw how superior it functioned compared to his, "junk" (again his words), he was a scratchin' his head again...  I assume he was trying to figure out how he could have been suckered in by the manufactures of such worthless crap to have spent $179 dollars???  I have always said, and I stand by my words...  "I have yet to see an inline that could out shoot a good 'ol traditional muzzle loader using the patched round ball!"  I do not have time to go through life teaching you inline shooters everything I know about traditional muzzle loading...  For cryin' out'loud,,, you bought it,,, you ought'a take the time to learn how to shoot it!!! :roll:

With your attitude, I doubt if you could teach anyone anything at all IMHO.
The way you present yourself here would be a good indicator of your lack of patience and knowledge of teaching skills needed to properly instruct any type of firearm training. I for one would seek someone that had an open mind about all firearms and knowledge of all firearms. If you want to be a true traditionalist, do as the Native Americans did and use hand made bows and arrows. I respect that you like to use your traditional muzzleloader and I think you should respect others with what they choose to use. If the world thought as you do, we would still be driving horse and buggies.

[Ohio Joe]

Horse and buggies?  I don't have a problem with that!  So, you freely admit that you would not be able to learn under my guidance?  Your probably right, you wouldn't...  You don't seem to be the type that can comprehend a word you read!  You'd most likely go hungry if you had to make meat!!!

[Redhawk1]

Horse and buggies?  I don't have a problem with that!  So, you freely admit that you would not be able to learn under my guidance?  Your probably right, you wouldn't...  You don't seem to be the type that can comprehend a word you read!  You'd most likely go hungry if you had to make meat!!!

I have probably shot more deer with a bow than you have with all your weapons combined. As far as my knowledge of hunting, shooting and my comprehension of learning seems to be far superior to what you could teach me. I hunt for meat, I don't make it

[sabotloader]

rollingb, i am a big spender so bring lots, at out local trap club it is 25 cents a round.... (25 shots a round) - so on a good day i can make a buck a round.... big spender huh?

Have a great day!!!

[Ohio Joe]

I wouldn't be to sure about your bow cracks, you may be padding yourself on your back far to early in life!  I have no doubts in my mind and ability that you would not last two seconds comparing your deeds with mine, flat'lander!

[Redhawk1]

I wouldn't be to sure about your bow cracks, you may be padding yourself on your back far to early in life!  I have no doubts in my mind and ability that you would not last two seconds comparing your deeds with mine, flat'lander!

Where do you come up with your phrases? "flat'lander"  Last time I was in Nebraska it was flat. I am from the beautiful State of Colorado and would consider myself a mountain man,   As I recall when I lived in Nebraska you can only get 1 deer a year, I got 4 with a bow just this past hunting season.  I am currently living here in Delaware so if that makes me a "flat'lander" so be it. But all the BS aside this disagreement has gotten out of hand and I will refrain from responding to your posts. :bye:

[rollingb]

Sabotloader,.... If a dollar, is all a feller can make shoot'n "trap" with a muzzleload'n rifle,.... reckon I'll jest stay home!!    

BTW,.... I like dove-hunt'n with my riflegun!! :mrgreen:  

[rollingb]

Redhawk,.... Jest to "cool" things down a bit,.... let's talk 'bout our "favorites" to build and/or shoot,... mine are the,... Early Hawken fullstocks, Jacob Dickert's, and Northwest Trade Guns.

What's yore favorite traditional muzzleloader fer "shoot'n"?

[Ohio Joe]

If you lived in, Nebraska, you would be familiar with the, "Pine Ridge" area...  You would also know that you can get two archery deer tags, as well as two muzzle loading tags...  There is also, Antelope archery, and muzzle loading...  You assume that I have only hunted in, Nebraska...  I have hunted in other states as well...  Kansas, Colorado, Ohio...  I have also lived in each one of those states...  I have also lived overseas on the, Uncle Sam plan...  As far as your crack about my knowledge of firearms, you will never know the extent of that...  I too feel this is getting out of hand, so we will end this discussion...

[Redhawk1]

Redhawk,.... Jest to "cool" things down a bit,.... let's talk 'bout our "favorites" to build and/or shoot,... mine are the,... Early Hawken fullstocks, Jacob Dickert's, and Northwest Trade Guns.

What's yore favorite traditional muzzleloader fer "shoot'n"?

rollingb, I just started getting interested in traditional muzzleloaders. I first got interested in Shiloh Sharps rifles and black powder cartridge shooting. Learning the reloading of the 45-70 with blackpowder and paper patch bullets was a blast and still is. I then got an original Remington Rolling Block in 45-70. I had been shooting in-line muzzleloads for years now and decided I would try the T/C Renegade. I have found it also to be a blast to shoot. Load development is always fun. I am planning on getting a flint lock but have not decide which one as of yet. I am also looking to get a Shiloh Sharps muzzleloader the 1863 PERCUSSION SPORTING RIFLE.
 The price starts at $1506 though. But I already have there model 1874 MONTANA ROUGHRIDER and just love Shiloh Sharps.

rollingb, you are right about this getting a little heated, I just don't understand why people find it in the interest of the shooting sport to criticize other peoples choices of what firearm they choose to shoot. It is fine to have an opinion but going to an extreme is (IMHO) uncalled for. I personal do not like some guns but I just would not own them but do not put down those who choose to. But enough about this subject. Shooting is a very fun and relaxing sport for me and I defend it (ALL OF IT).  :grin:

[rollingb]

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!!!.... Ohio Joe!!!!!!!  :toast:  :mrgreen:  :pizza:  :lol:  :grin:    :gulp:  :agree:  

[Ohio Joe]

Thanks, rollingb...  :grin:   I ate so much today I'm gon'a sleep like a bear in hibernation tonight.