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Offline Flyrod444

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« on: March 30, 2004, 02:43:17 AM »
I've hunted with a TC hawken for almost 30 years and enjoyed it a great deal. Recently I got the bug to buy a Encore to hunt both muzzle loader season and put a 270 barrel on to hunt rifle season. I picked up a 209/50 stainless camo stock two weeks ago. I got a chance to shoot it this weekend and was very pleased. With 90 grains of triple 7 ffg and 200 grain DC bullets I was able to shoot 1.25" three shoot groups at 50 yards with open sites. The state I hunt in does not allow scopes during ml season. Spit patch between shots made loading as easy as my old hawken with round balls. There was zero blow back around the primer which were CCI. I shoot around 30 rounds and never noticed a crud ring, spit patches went in and out with very little trouble. Dry patches where a little more difficult. I have since reduced the trigger from factory 5lbs. to 2 1/2 lbs. I'm looking forward to the next time I shoot this great little gun.  :D
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« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2004, 03:32:38 AM »
Quote from: Flyrod444
I've hunted with a TC hawken for almost 30 years and enjoyed it a great deal. Recently I got the bug to buy a Encore to hunt both muzzle loader season and put a 270 barrel on to hunt rifle season. I picked up a 209/50 stainless camo stock two weeks ago. I got a chance to shoot it this weekend and was very pleased. With 90 grains of triple 7 ffg and 200 grain DC bullets I was able to shoot 1.25" three shoot groups at 50 yards with open sites. The state I hunt in does not allow scopes during ml season. Spit patch between shots made loading as easy as my old hawken with round balls. There was zero blow back around the primer which were CCI. I shoot around 30 rounds and never noticed a crud ring, spit patches went in and out with very little trouble. Dry patches where a little more difficult. I have since reduced the trigger from factory 5lbs. to 2 1/2 lbs. I'm looking forward to the next time I shoot this great little gun.  :D

The spit patches take care of the crud ring. I use solvent patches myself.
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« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2004, 04:32:12 PM »
OK, guys, can ya help me out, here?

I have two different barrels for my Encore, the factory barrel, and a custom
barrel. In either one of them, I get a horrible crud ring, and 4" groups using
T7 with the 200gr PR DC bullets. Spit patches were used between shots,
but the crud ring was so bad that there were times when it took enough
force to get through it, that the patch had separated threads.

Some have told me that I need to use non-petroleum based oil, or to at
least thoroughly clean out the oil as though cleaning out a very dirty
barrel and using a non-petroleum based oil (like Ballistol) prior to
firing with T7.

What do you guys use for barrel preservative, and how do you prepare
your barrels prior to firing?
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« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2004, 04:56:28 PM »
Danno, I use CLP for a preservative.  Before heading out to shoot I run a couple of alcohol patches followed by three or four dry patches down the bore.  Last step is a dry patch on the ramrod fully inserted while I fire one primer.  I get some crud as well in both Encores, but not what I would call horrible.  The only rifle I have that does not get noticeable fouling in that area with T7 is my Huntsman - and I have no idea why it doesn't.  

Some suggest filling the base of a Powerbelt with Bore Butter will soften the resultant crud and sometimes improve accuracy.
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« Reply #4 on: March 31, 2004, 01:57:19 AM »
Danno,
I am new at this inline game but this is what seemed to work for me. After buying my encore I cleaned the bore using patches with tc #13 on them, then I dry patched until they came out clean. I then used CLP on it before putting it away for a week. Before shooting I ran several dry patches through it and then fired 3 209's, than dry patched it again. I than loaded it and started shooting. The first shoot was a couple of inches from the rest , I'm not sure if this is due to the bore not being fouled or the 5 lb trigger I had to get used to. I hope this helps.
I  also took the advice I received from UC and filled my butt stock with foam padding, it took the hollow sound away and added a couple of onces of weight. I used carpet padding and it worked great.
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Re: Horrid Crud Ring
« Reply #5 on: March 31, 2004, 03:14:52 AM »
Quote from: DannoBoone

Some have told me that I need to use non-petroleum based oil, or to at
least thoroughly clean out the oil as though cleaning out a very dirty
barrel and using a non-petroleum based oil (like Ballistol) prior to
firing with T7.

What do you guys use for barrel preservative, and how do you prepare
your barrels prior to firing?

Cleaning out the oil before shooting or hunting is always advisable. I snap 3 caps then swab with 3 solvent patches and the 3 dry ones. I then swab with one solvent patch and 1 dry one between shots. I just use any good gun oil. I'm not really picky about the oil.
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« Reply #6 on: March 31, 2004, 06:38:37 AM »
Flyrod444, you only have to get used to that trigger long enough to get a spring and the free download from the site I'll pm you.  Glad the foam is working out for you!
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« Reply #7 on: March 31, 2004, 08:41:54 AM »
Underclocked, I have already put a #3 spring in and like the trigger a lot. When I first put the spring in, the trigger pull was about 3 1/2 lbs. I removed the trigger and pushed down on the spring, with the eraser end of a pencil twice. The trigger pull was about 2 3/4 lb at this time. After putting the gun back together completely, I checked the pull and it is now right at 2 lbs. I could not ask for a better trigger than this. I'm looking forward to shooting it soon. If I decide that the trigger is to lite for hunting can I take the spring out and bend it back a little? I might keep this spring as is and try the pencil trick on a #2 spring that I got in the kit and see if I get around 3lbs. with it.
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« Reply #8 on: March 31, 2004, 02:13:49 PM »
Hey UC, I could use that spring info myself if I could so politely aske you for the download link and spring info.
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« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2004, 03:24:13 PM »
Thank you to you both.
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« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2004, 04:50:01 PM »
Dannoboone If you Go back and read Flyrod444's First post, he said he had no trouble with a crud ring useing T7 and (CCI primers). You don't say what kind of primer you are useing. If you arn't useing CCI primers I would give them a try. Remington no longer makes the 209-4, I used this primer for over a year and had no problem with the T7 crud ring and little blow back. That was yesterday and this is today, Remington makes a new primer the 209 STS, in comparison with other commonly-used primers, create reductions of up to 40 percent in the high-to-low spread of velocities in reloads. This may be the way to fix the crud ring. Good Luck Oldsnow.
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« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2004, 05:03:15 PM »
Quote from: Oldsnow
Remington no longer makes the 209-4, I used this primer for over a year and had no problem with the T7 crud ring and little blow back.


Remington 209-4 primers are in stock at Graf & Sons, Gamaliel, etc., for those who would like to try them.

http://www.grafs.com/shopRegularproducts.cfm/startItem/1
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