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Offline mr.pants

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« on: April 13, 2004, 06:08:25 AM »
Anyone have luck purchasing a used/new barrel from another individual and have it fit and work perfect with your receiver? I am just asking this because if I don't have to send my rifle back to H&R then I don't want too. Is there a place where people swap/trade/sell barrels?

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« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2004, 07:24:46 AM »
I have purchased 2 barrels from guys on this site. They both fit my receiver percectly and I have shot one with great results, no sign of excessive headspace and good accuracy. I have not shot the second yet, hope to soon. Be sure if you do it you have a general idea of what a good fit to the receiver is and to check the head space. VERY IMPORTANT, make sure you fit the type of barrel to the proper receiver, DO NOT shoot a high intensity caliber barrel on a shotgun receiver or low pressure rifle receiver, it may not cause any problems, it may work fine, just not worth the risk, IMHO of course....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2004, 01:52:04 PM »
Mr. Pants, I second MSP. It can sometimes (often?) be done, but there's chance you will get a barrel that that doesn't fit and can't be fitted. You need either a good deal of experience or a very friendly gunsmith to check for proper fit, and I'd stay away from high pressure barrels even at that.

It's the off season and a little poking around will turn up a whole rifle in barely used shape for $150 or less, maybe even $125. If you don't wanna let go of your rifle, that's the way to go. Got half an eye open for a used .30-30 myself.
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« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2004, 02:23:26 PM »
I mbought a used 44 mag barrel from person on one of these forms.
It was H&R before NEF. It fit a 1972 action no problems. I think it will
fit late NEF actions. I am kind of leary of this type of buying, I will not
buy on E-Bay, most is junk or some thing wrong. Just my 2 cents.
Marv.
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« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2004, 02:39:35 PM »
Marv, I think you just beat me out on that one!  Was that the guy who bought the gun with extra barrels he didn't want/need?

In my limited experience, the SB2 barrels have been interchangable between SB2 receivers.  But, the older barrels, which interchange within their series (like my Model 58) do not readily fit the newer SB2 receivers.
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« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2004, 02:42:37 PM »
#1 New barrels from the factory are so inexpensive and are warrantied to perform to a certain standard, also all liability is placed in H&R's hands should something go drastically wrong (who you gonna sue if your do-it-yourselfer hurts you or someone else?).  Plus you can get your trigger smoothed out for nothing while they have the gun.

#2 As Leftoverdj noted above with persistence and a little luck you can find a complete gun in the caliber you want for around $150 in a used gun rack somewhere.  For a few bucks you may even find one already fitted with a decent scope.  Both of mine were bought second hand.

IMO there is no point in playing 'used barrel craps'.

Brett
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« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2004, 02:58:08 PM »
Brett, I offer a couple of "points" to consider in buying a used barrel,
1) it's in a caliber they no longer offer ( example - 7x57, .35 Whelen etc...)
2) its a good deal.
3) you want it.
4) your willing to take a chance on it becoming a paperweight.
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« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2004, 03:11:40 PM »
Airsporter, I don't know if I got a head of you on 44 mag barrel
or not. The man told me that the first contact with did not think it would fit.
I had enough actions I thought it would. I have seen NEF barrels go for as much as $20.00 more than Nef's prices. Marv.
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« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2004, 04:40:28 PM »
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Brett, I offer a couple of "points" to consider in buying a used barrel,
1) it's in a caliber they no longer offer ( example - 7x57, .35 Whelen etc...)
2) its a good deal.
3) you want it.
4) your willing to take a chance on it becoming a paperweight.
....<><.... :grin:


MSPret, that is why I began my final sentence with "IMO".   Like they say in the ad' disclaimers 'Your opinion may vary.'.  :wink:  

1) Personally, I would look for an entire rifle in 7x57, 35 whelan or whatever caliber I wanted.
2) Is it still a good deal if it turns out to be a paperweight?
3) Yea ,well (sigh).. there are a lot of things I want but they are not always prudent. For instance, I want a BMW Z4 Roaster. However, it's a two seater and wife, daughter and me makes three.  That and the car payments & insurance would seriously hinder daughter's college savings plan.  Or as my mother used to say "you're big enough that your want's won't hurt ya!"
4) refer back to no.2.

Peace brother,
Brett
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« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2004, 05:48:33 PM »
I have two low intensity rifle barrels on shotgun frames, just like they used to make.  A .357 Mag barrel on a "NR" case hardened receiver and a .22 Hornet on a H&R "AU" case hardened receiver.  Couldn't ask for a better fit on either one, less than .001" clearance between the receiver and the barrel.  The .357 barrel was new from NEF and the .22 Hornet came off of this site.  

Probably the only other barrels I would consider doing this with are the .45/70 and the .30-30.
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« Reply #10 on: April 14, 2004, 11:43:36 AM »
Marv,

The one I'm taking about was this:  Guy posted he bought an older H&R with an extra .44Mag barrel he didn't want.  I emailed and offered the guy $50.  He said the price seemed about right but he already had another email, ahead of mine, but the guy had a newer receiver and wasn't sure if the older barrel would fit.

I emailed back with my experience (i.e., my model 58 barrels will not fit my SB2 receivers) and requested he let me know as I would take the chance.  He said he would get back to me after he actually got the gun.  Never heard from him again.  Amen.

Don't know if you got the same one or not.  But, good for you anyway! I have no reason to be upset either way.  I do far prefer the light profile barrels on the older H&Rs.  The new SB2 barrels are really 'heavy sporter weight' tubes which, for me, defeats their 'handirifle' purpose.
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« Reply #11 on: April 14, 2004, 03:19:40 PM »
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Brett, I offer a couple of "points" to consider in buying a used barrel,
1) it's in a caliber they no longer offer ( example - 7x57, .35 Whelen etc...)
2) its a good deal.
3) you want it.
4) your willing to take a chance on it becoming a paperweight.
....<><.... :grin:


MSP Ret....I haven't had a chance to ask yet, but how about that .35 Whelen? Have you got to try it yet?
Being the gentleman I am  :roll: I let you have "firsties" on that one. Like for you keep me in mind should you ever let it go.  Looking forward to hearing some good news..............Funny you mention the 7x57 along with the Whelen, My two favorites by far.
Respectfully, Russ
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« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2004, 03:46:12 PM »
RussB, No I haven't shot the .35 Whelen yet, my local gun store on Cape Cod did not have any ammo for it. The Montanan said he is going to send me the ammo and brass he had left, I'm looking for some dies and when the ammo arrives it should be enough to get me started, just waiting on the Montanan now but his son was hurt in an accident and he has been very busy at work. I'm sure he and his family could use a couple of prayers from whoever gets a chance. I am going up north to Maine for a little coyote hunting in about 3-4 days and will look for some .35 Whelen ammo while I'm there, probably more call for it in Maine than on Cape Cod!!! I will keep you in mind if I ever have a weak moment and decide to sell the .35 Whelen barrel. It fits my receiver great as does the 19" .280 Remington barrel I was lucky enough to get from Lik2hunt, boy has "He" smiled on me lately!!! Thanks be to him....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #13 on: April 15, 2004, 01:03:43 PM »
MSP Ret........I didn't realize there was a problem at the Montanan's, but you bet...I will say a prayer.
Have a good, safe trip.
Respectfully, Russ
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« Reply #14 on: April 15, 2004, 02:15:50 PM »
RussB......MSP_Ret already promised that 35 whelen barrel to me....  :roll:  ...course he'll claim he doesn't remember that... but you know how it is when your gettin on up there... :mrgreen:
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« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2004, 02:41:43 PM »
Deadeye.........I like your tag line. Pretty powerful, if you ask me.
Russ
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« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2004, 02:58:39 PM »
:D , Getting up there? Sometimes I feel as if I'm so high up there I should be wearing a parachute. But I'm still young enough to remember one tag line I saw on a forum (somewhere?), it went something like this, "How did I get to be over the hill when I don't remember reaching the top?", sometimes that describes me. Of course I am also old enough to be able to admit my many faults, so here goes one.  RussB, I'm sorry but (if I am correct this time) I did grant Deadeye first dibs on the Montanan's former .35 Whelen barrel (OK Deadeye??) IF I ever decide to allow it out of my tight grasp.  That fine Ultra barrel is now happily in my possesion and sporting a brand new Ultra scope rail. It fits great on my "high intensity" receiver and it should have ammo in a couple of days. It will have to wait until I get back from a little coyote hunting trip to Maine but in a week or 2 watch out downrange!!!    Incoming!!!.................<><.... :grin:(I may have to do some research on promises contained in posts to bring this question to a fair and just conclusion!!!)
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« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2004, 07:26:38 PM »
LOL...I knew that comment would draw ya out!  If ya haven't figured it out already...I'm about half full of it...maybe more than half according to some!  :-D  I know it's usless to think you'd give up that whelen barrel...I'm just yankin your chain....an by the way...I'm going to order a scope base from H & R also ....what is the difference in th Ultra base and the standard? They are the same price......don't spear me too bad if thats a dumb question.....i've never seen an ultra base....Happy Hunting.... :D


Thanks RussB....I forget where I saw that little piece of wisdom....but I liked it too!
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« Reply #18 on: April 16, 2004, 02:13:38 AM »
OK Deadeye, you got me. The Ultra scope mount is an inch longer at 6" than the standard scope mount at 5". It has a "stabilizing" screw drilled and tapped into the front of the rail which can be screwed down against the barrel to prevent flexing of the rail (not really much chance of that anyway) and screws drilled and tapped in the side of the rail to lock the front "stabilizing screw" into position. The cost of the Ultra rail w/o hammer spur is $18.00 (item #R00503) and with hammer spur is $20.00 (item #R03235). The cost of the standard length (5") scope rail is $13.00 w/o hammer spur (item #R01331) and with hammer spur is $18.00 (item #R03234). This is an increase in price of $2.00 for the Ultra rail over the standard rail. For most applications it is not needed, but then again it doesn't hurt, except for looks. Just for information the price of the hammer spur alone is $8.00 (item #S01461). I believe shipping is still a flat $5.00 for parts and accessories and $10.00 per barrel ordered....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #19 on: April 16, 2004, 03:02:17 AM »
Thanks for the info...apparently they haven't updated their web site of the price increase!  I'm going to order a set for the barrel I got from BIGBOREFAN...I'm going to try his peep sights first but my eyes just don't do it anymore...I got peep sights on my little 16" 357 barrel and can shoot it pretty good so maybe the longer sight radius on the 30-30 barrel will be a little easier to focus on...but I want to have a base just in case I want to mount a scope on it......
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« Reply #20 on: April 16, 2004, 03:30:44 AM »
Deadeye, I'm beginning to have the same problem with peep sights. I bought a Williams Guide open sight to try (a 1" model fits the chamber area of H&R/NEF's perfectly, in fact is made for them) and mounted in using one of the front holes to screw on the scope rail and had another 6/48 hole drilled and tapped to match the location of the mounting hole in the Williams sight. It is there when I need it (it's mounted now) and if I decide to scope this rifle (my 19" .280 Remington barrel thanks to lik2hunt!) the scope rail will cover the additional hole. I also had a 3/48 hole drilled and tapped on the shortened barrel and mounted an H&R .22 Hornet front sight (the highest front sight H&R makes). It still shoots a bit high at 50 yards, I have lowered the rear sight a bit more to as low as it can go and will try again.  The crown on the barrel is not good but it shoots pretty well for a short barreled woods gun. The gunsmith is amazed it shoots at all with the crown and wants to recrown it but I'm worried that I won't be able to shoot it with a good crown Job!!! Also I can save money by using it as is...I was thinking of getting a "ghost ring" from Williams to try in the rear sight (about $5) but think I will see if I can buy an apurture opening for it and use it without an aputure in it as a "ghost ring", that way I can always put in a smaller apurture if I want to. They don't list one but i Think the piece from a Receiver sight instead of an open sight must fit, I believe they are the same bases...Anyway, this was to tell you it is possible to mount the Williams Guide sight about 2-3 inches forward on the barrel, near the front of the chamber area and it works...I feel moving it that 2-3 inches further from our older eyes helps....<><.... :grin:
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« Reply #21 on: April 16, 2004, 04:11:11 AM »
I have the same sight...I think. I got mine from Brownells several years ago. Anyway, I just remove the diopter from mine and have an instant "ghost ring".
I cant tell a lot of difference at 100 yd when using the sight with or without the diopter. I'm sure the smaller hole of the screw-in diopter makes for a "finer" sight picture, but my eyes are still good enough to bring the front sight in clear focus, albeit I do wear glasses.
When shooting I usually don't wear the prescription glasses, just plastic with an amber, or clear lens.
Changing subject a bit............My .35 Whelen currently has a 3x9 V mdl. Weaver. It has a quarter rib, with two flip-up sights from NECG, an honest 27" douglas barrel, on a squared & trued Howa 1500 action, in an "A" Claro stock.
I am going to try to post a picture, I've never done this on this site before so be patient. Russ

http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Quarter_Rib_on_Whelen.jpg


http://img47.photobucket.com/albums/v143/RussB256/Stock_on_Whelen.jpg
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« Reply #22 on: April 16, 2004, 04:26:46 AM »
Well,  I guess THAT didn't work so well, but it does seem to give a hyper link to the picture. I guess you could "Cut & Paste" to bring up the second one.
Actually, I'm in over my head when it comes to this computer stuff. I had just managed to operate the VCR, with a certain degree of proficiency, when my wife brought home a computer a few years back, then a couple of years ago she gave me a digital camera..........Now, I'm back to trying to figure out how to make the VCR stop blinking. Thats probably what I should be doing now instead of playing with this thing.   :D

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« Reply #23 on: April 16, 2004, 05:15:35 AM »
I thought VCR's were supposed to blink, ours has ever since we bought it....<><.... :wink:
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« Reply #24 on: April 16, 2004, 05:31:13 AM »
RussB,

Posting pictures here is pretty tricky!  I don't know that I have accomplished it yet.  Here's my Whelen if the pic will come up.


Seems like it has a Weaver 2-8X on it.
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