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Offline The Shrink

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Requirements for Blackpowder storage bunker?
« on: April 28, 2004, 01:12:24 AM »
Gentlemen

I'm posting this here because I assume you guys go through more BP than anyone else on the forum!  

Does anyone have requirements/plans for the storage of black powder, the requirements for the bunker?  Are these Federal or local fire ordanances?  Whatever I do I want to do legally, and if i buy a case I need to store it legally.  I figure I can probably build what is necessary.  

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« Reply #1 on: April 28, 2004, 06:18:27 AM »
Check http://www.info-central.org/regulatory/orangebook/subpartk.html
for federal standards. Your state may have additional requirements.
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« Reply #2 on: April 28, 2004, 06:24:07 AM »
Take a look at this one at Maine Powder House:

http://www.mainepowderhouse.com/safe.htm

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« Reply #3 on: April 29, 2004, 01:26:34 AM »
So, gentlemen, according to this it looks like I can use a 20mm ammo can, lined with 1/2" ply, with two padlocks and wheels.  That I can do easily.  This would be for no more than one case of powder.  Why don't they require a long cable so it can be moved without getting close!?

How do I tell how many tumblers a padlock has?  The number of bumps on the key?  

Please tell me why I am wrong!

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« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2004, 02:26:34 AM »
Shrink, when I constructed my magazine (I'm a dealer) I ended up having a local locksmith fabricate the locks.  I s'pose it would be irresponsible to tell you that for personal storage of 50 lb. or less it's unlikely that BATF would inspect your magazine, so I won't tell you that.

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« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2004, 02:21:21 PM »
akbigbore - you may well be right.  But on the other hand, there are a lot of things that I do because it's prudent.  Knowing that MOST of the time I could get away with it, but since the consequences are serious.

I don't mean to lecture, there are plenty of things that I've 'gotten by' with in life.
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« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2004, 09:01:17 PM »
If everything we did was prudent, we would none of us shoot cannons just for the fun it.  At least in the eyes of some, it just isn't prudent to do so.

I would never advocate taking an unreasonable risk.  I would point out however that BATFE's regulations are written based on the needs of commercial storage of explosives, not necessarily for the residential storage of powder by the average cannon shooter.  For example, the requirement of five-tumbler locks is based on security of the magazine, not the safe storage of it's contents.  The concern that prompted that regulation is the theft of large quantities of high explosives, and such a lock is not something that you just walk into your local Lowe's and pick up off the rack.  From a safety standpoint, any high quality padlock with a case hardened shackle would probably serve just as well.

From a safety standpoint I'm much more concerned that the magazine be constructed or lined with non-sparking, non-conductive, fire-resistant materials and that it be located well away from any occupied building.

It is worth noting that BATFE regulations and standards are not intended for HOME storage of any explosive materials.  That comes under the purview of your local fire code, which is far more restrictive.