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Offline rickyp

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« on: June 18, 2004, 12:03:10 PM »
I have a 14 inch 7 TCU that I got in a trade. when I started really looking at the inside the barrel I noticed that it has a very heavy build up of copper ,  powder and lead. I have done the hoppies bench rest copper remover, shooters choice xtream cleaner, lead remover cloth wound around a brush. I have gotten a lot out in the past 12 hours of work (over 3 days)  on the barrel.

I went to all the gun stores that are close to my house and work none of them have JB or kroil and wont get any in stock. They don't think the stuff will sell good enough to keep in stock.

I do not know of a place on-line that I can order the JB and Kroil from with out a small order fees or min. order amounts

will the fine valve lapping compound work or will do more harm then good?
If it will work what is the best way to use it?

I was thinking about putting some in my hand and push a cleaning patch in it and then run the patch trough the barrel several times and then cleaning the barrel with hoppies powder solvent and repeat as needed.

O and one more thing the bore looks like it may have some rough sport.

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« Reply #1 on: June 18, 2004, 12:15:52 PM »
Don't do that. Valve lapping compound it way to course for lapping a bore. You would need a very fine diamond lapping compound for that. Try some Barnes CR-10. Works like a charm and its pretty quick. Be sure to read the instructions and don't leave it in the bore too long. If you need to lap, get a kit from brownells or midway.    KN

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« Reply #2 on: June 18, 2004, 03:05:46 PM »
Have you ever tried "wipeout"? It works wonders on copper fouling and is really easy to use. I'm not sure if it'll get lead fouling out though. Mike

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« Reply #3 on: June 18, 2004, 04:02:55 PM »
when I clean it with the shooters choice xtream cleaner I get a dark black cleaning patch. when I use the hoppies benchrest 9 copper cleaner I get some very little light blue on the tip of the cleaning patch but not way up on the sides.

I am not 100% sure it is all copper / lead  and not a  pitting in the barrel.

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« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2004, 05:30:06 PM »
My gun club has a technical class before mtgs.  Many yrs. ago the tech (now gone) was advocating the use of sensodyne (sp) toothpaste.  Wrap a patch around a worn out bronze brush, apply the paste and start swiping.  He claimed it to be just as effective as JB.  It works.
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2004, 06:04:05 AM »
How much of that 12 hours was spent with a bronze brush?  It sounds like the barrel was terribly neglected, with layer upon layer of fouling built up.  Chemicals work, but there are times when the process is speeded up dramatically by using a tight fitting brush.  For the 7mm, use a .30-caliber brush.  Use a bore/chamber guide.  Use full strokes, pushing the brush completely out of the bore, rotating it one quarter turn then pulling it back all the way through.  Use a solvent like Shooter's Choice, don't use the brush dry.  Don't use a stainless brush.  Buy two brushes and when one gets worn or compressed toss it.

The sharp brushs will tear out a lot of the coarser fouling the fine abrasives just polish - without damaging the bore.  The chemicals only work if they can get to the fouling - heavy powder fouling can keep the ammonia from touching the copper.  While some guys will warn against using a brush due to "wear" on the bore, I submitt that 12 hours of scrubbing will cause wear no matter what you do - particularly if no bore guide was used.  

After a good brushing (ca. 12-18 double strokes), return to tight fitting patches with a good solvent.  See if this improves your results.  You may want to repeat the brushing.  Sometimes a more aggresive approach saves time with less risk of damage.

To better see the extent of copper fouling, put a clean white patch on a jag and insert from the chamber to within 1/2" of the muzzle.  Shine a light into the bore, and the reflection from the patch will light up the bore surface nicely.  Use a low power magnifying glass if you have one.  This is a great way to spot copper or lead streaks, or to see pitting near the muzzle.

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2004, 02:30:10 AM »
about 1/3 of the time was using a very tight brush scrubbing when the bursh got worn down I even wraped some lead remover cloth around it.

I use shooters choice xtream and it works great, but thhis barrel needs a lot of TLC and then maybe lapping to smoth things out some once i get the lead out :)

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2004, 09:03:30 AM »
Hello rickyp,

Several years ago I had all kinds of different cleaning products.  Now I only have two - I use WipeOut and follow it with MPro-7.

If you have an extremely neglected barrel, you may initially use the WipeOut 2-3 times, but after that, assuming you stay current with your cleaning, you will only use it once per cleaning session.  WipeOut does not dissolve lead, but it breaks it down so you can push it out with a patch.  To get your barrel clean the first time, foam your barrel with WipeOut, let it sit overnight, then just dry-patch it out.  Personally, I have never had to do this more than two times on any barrel, but others have told me they had barrels that required three applications to clean up a really neglected one.  WipeOut is non-toxic, environmentally friendly, doesn't smell like !*#%$&! and works GREAT!  Try it and I'll bet you become a convert too.  I only use the MPro-7 because I'm very anal about being absolutely positive I have a clean barrel - I still can't prove to myself that I need it after the WipeOut, but this way I'm positive about having the cleanest barrel possible.

Safe and good shooting to you!   :D   Good luck with your barrel!

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2004, 01:52:11 AM »
Where can you get the  WipeOut?  Just went looking and could not find it anywhere.

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« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2004, 02:15:22 PM »
Hello patw,

Several of the local places where I live stock WipeOut now, but that wasn't always the case.  I have noticed that as people start using it and finding out how well it works and how easy it is to use, stores begin stocking it - it's all about $$$ as we all know.

If you can't find WipeOut anywhere else, do what I did before the stores began stocking it, and order it direct from the source:  http://www.paulcousa.com/wipeout.htm

Safe and good shooting to you!   :D

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