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Offline Good time Charlie

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« on: May 18, 2004, 01:43:38 AM »
I had the TC Flinter out yesterday. since I bought some goex real black powder she is shooting pretty well. Yesterday the humidity was about 98%. After firing the pan would look wet. I don't know how much use this gun is going to get, It eats flints like crazy and at about $2 each that runs the cost of shooting way up.
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2004, 05:11:34 AM »
A flint eater?!  While not as evil as a lock that just won't spark, they're not the ideal.  And this is exactly why you will see me recommend a semi-custom when someone is considering a flintlock.  

If you're inclined to tinker with the lock you may be able to correct things.

Try switching the bevel up or down.

Next look closely at the angle the flint is when it first contacts the frizzen.  Is it making a straight-on collision?  Or does it glance downward along the frizzen face?

Chances are, a flinteater strikes straight-on.  Try using a shorter flint if you can find a supply.  Try using a thinner piece of leather in the jaws.  Or, I've gone to the extent of cutting a small hole in the leather to line up with the jaw-screw.  This allows the flint to be set back a tad farther.  The shorter the flint, the farther the cock will travel before the flint contacts the frizzen.  This makes the flint strike at a better angle.

It's possible that the frizzen spring is too strong.  That's the spring that puts tension on the frizzen and holds the frizzen in place.  If this spring is stout, the collision between rock and frizzen can be mighty severe.  I've weakened the spring by judicious filing.  Careful!  You might want to buy a back-up spring before attempting this (they shouldn't be too expensive).  File with the lenght of the spring, not across it.  Then polish the spring as best as you can.  I'm told any scratches that go cross-ways can become flaws that will break the spring.  Fortunately, T/C parts are available and not outrageously expensive - mistakes cost money, but so does education.

Yes, BP fouling will draw in moisture.  But some BP is worse than others.  I have no idea what the quality of Goex is nowadays, but Swiss is pretty dry.  It's a funny thing tho, in the bore, that "dampness" is good for making many shots without swabbing possible.  In the pan it's bad.

I prime with 2f.  You can also use 3f.  But 4f does not have a coating or it isn't polished.  The coating that 2 and 3f have helps delay the moisture soaking in.  If you're on the range, and you know your next shot will be right away, you can probably get away with priming with 2f or 3f.  If the circumstances dictate - you may have to really wipe down the pan and frizzen between shots.  

I had a misfire last deer season because of this.  I used my normal 2F prime.  I loaded and went on a deer drive in a moderate rain.  The gun went off on my first shot at a deer (missed the deer tho).  I reloaded, wiped the pan, and went on.  At lunchtime I decided to light it off into  a stump.  The pan charge was soaked.  Although I did wipe the pan and frizzen off, I didn't do it well enough and the fouling drew in moisture.  Keep in mind this is with Swiss powder, 2F, and a Jim Chamber's lock.  So even the best quality components aren't idiot proof.  But I at least feel confident that with these components realiable wet-weather performance is realistice - not futile.
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Offline PA-Joe

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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2004, 05:31:47 AM »
Polishing the pan will help.

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« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2004, 07:04:57 AM »
Another option is to purchase synthetic flints from "ELKK Ent" <elkk@juno.com>. Result will be tremendous sparking with accelerated wear of frizzen. Depending upon frizzen's metallurgy, it may need replacing after 3000 strikes.
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Offline Will Bison

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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2004, 08:27:51 PM »
The moisture in the pan is quite normal when the humidity is that high. As stated above, the pan should be polished mirror bright. I even have flinters with gold plated pans. Very inexpensive, looks good and they are impervious to BP fouling and corrosion.

The rock eating is no fun. One possible alternative would be to buy an after market lock. They can run $100 or more for the really good ones. Even the best locks will bust a rock from time to time. I always figured I should get 20 shots per flint average. But that means one might go 3 shots and disentegrate and another might go 50 shots.

You may want to call TC and see if they have any advice. It's entirely possible that they may repair or replace the lock. I've had good luck with TC on the few repairs I've had done over the years.

The lock is the heart of the gun, the stock and barrel are nothing more than a club if the lock fails. For the price, TC does a good job on their guns. The locks are mass produced and fitted to the guns as they come off the production line. With the high end locks, each one is hand tuned, the geometry checked and of course that drives up the price.

Flint quality is also very important. Some of the worst flints I ever used were the TC flints and they ain't cheap. After many years and knowing my locks, I can pretty much eyeball a flint and tell a good one from a bad one. The flint from Brandon, England is generally accepted as a "standard" by which other flint is compared. That's not to say it's the best but it is good. English flint is available from a number of sources and is quite plentiful. The last batch I bought at a "Rondy" cost .70 cents each. They worked good because I was able to pick through many hundreds of flints. Another variable is the guy that knapped the flint. One knapper may discard a flake as being unsuitable while the next person may consider the same flake acceptable.

I'm sure you have already noted that flints are not created equal. Recently I ordered a hundred flints in 3/4 inch size. Some were so small they would fit a pistol lock and some looked like musket flints. For me it's not a big deal because I have locks of various sizes so most of them will get used on one gun or another.

I suppose that one day the self contained metallic cartridge will eclipse the flint lock. Until that day comes, enjoy your flinter.

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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2004, 02:24:13 AM »
Good time Charlie I find with my t/c flinter 3/4 english flints give me about 65 shots on one flint,I also found that I did change my frizzen to a lyman frizzen.
T/C has improve there locks  and improve there vent liner,the new vent liner come with and allen key compared to the screw driver slot.I would call t/c customer service and by your serial no# on the gun ,they can tell if you are shooting the older lock.

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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2004, 07:29:45 AM »
I've never actually counted the number of shots I get per flint. But it's definitely more than 65. When they stop giving a good shower of sparks, I re-knap them. I also always use the largest flint the lock can handle. I
use English flints and get good results.
  I've never used a T/C flintlock, but shooters of my acquaintance who do
have had no problems that I know of. They all use English flints and re-knap as needed. Provided the flint is properly aligned in the jaws to begin with, the rifle always goes off.
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