Last winter, I purchased a side by side double 12 ga made by Pedersoli. I have shot it some at paper, just to try to figure things out. I have concluded that these guns give new meaning to the word "scattergun". I have more work to do so far as coming up with just the right recipe to achieve the best patterns. I have found one thing out, at least with my gun, forget the card over powder wads. My gun is choked, Mod and Imp Cyl and especially with the mod barrel, you end up distorting the card wads trying to ram them down the barrel. I have since switched to just using two of the felt pre-lubed wonder wads, then going with the thinner card over shot wad to seal up the whole thing. This has improved my patterns some, as has cutting the powder charge. That being said, the patterns I have achieved thus far are not two bad within maybe 25 yards, beyond that, things get a little sketchy. Until I find a way to improve patterns out to 30 yards or so, I'll limit any turkey or other game shots to about 20 yards. It is a riot to shoot this gun though. I tried shooting some trap about a week ago and didn't do too bad and had a blast.