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Offline Dali Llama

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PREEMPTION....A couple of months ago a conservative acquaintance suggested to me that the best thing that ever happened to America was Watergate. After all, he said, Watergate led to the election of Jimmy Carter, and it was only Carter's uniquely horrible presidency that allowed Ronald Reagan to be elected in 1980. Without Watergate and Carter, there would have been no Reagan.

Likewise, I wonder if George Bush will end up being the best thing ever to happen to American liberalism. Bushian excess has energized liberals, of course, but more important may be that in the same way that liberals dejectedly gave up on Carter toward the end of his presidency, conservatives seem to be losing heart over Bush in his final year too. Increasingly, even the most hawkish conservatives are unwilling to drain their credibility further by dredging up pretzel twisting defenses for Bush's obvious incompetence and cluelessness.

We've already heard moaning and groaning from such conservative stalwarts as George Will, Bill Kristol, David Brooks, Robert Kagan, and many others (helpfully collected here by Matt Yglesias — just search for "Disgruntlement Watch"), and the latest example comes from Gary Schmitt, executive director of PNAC, ground zero for hawkish neoconism. What makes his piece remarkable is that it's billed as a defense of George Bush's policy of preemption but still says the following:

For the foreseeable future, the Iraq war and its aftermath cannot help but put a hitch in the step of any president contemplating similar action....When the director of the Central Intelligence Agency next tells a president that the case regarding a country's suspected weapons programs is a "slam-dunk," one can assume that that assessment will be greeted with far more skepticism....The reality is that continuing troubles in Iraq will have an effect on presidential decision-making for years, especially when it comes to preemption and wars of prevention.

This is followed by a halfhearted explanation that preemption was never really a linchpin of Bush's policies anyway and that plenty of other presidents have considered preemptive wars even if they didn't actually follow through. So, you know, it's not as big a deal as people think it is, and preemption is still part of the big picture.

It's a far cry from the hawkish exhuberance of only a couple of years ago, especially for the head of a group like PNAC, but it's either the best he could do or else the best he was willing to do. When even guys like Schmitt are too embarrassed to provide a full-throated defense of preemption, it gives you hope. Maybe in a few months we'll be back to having a sane foreign policy after all.

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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2004, 08:24:43 AM »
GW may not be perfect but he is better hands down than any liberal period!!  :twisted:
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2004, 10:06:52 AM »
Anything is better than a Democrat
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2004, 12:50:19 PM »
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GW may not be perfect but he is better hands down than any liberal period!!  :twisted:
Dali Llama say he concur with jh45gun opinion. :D
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2004, 01:17:36 AM »
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Ya bitch about Jimmy Carter, probably the most honest man ever to  hold the office of president.  But I guess honesty is not good enough.  
Dali Llama say that honorable peanut farmer referenced not handle Iran hostage situation very well.  :cry: :oops:
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« Reply #5 on: June 05, 2004, 01:00:30 PM »
Nobody complained about Carter's honesty...perhaps on par with Ronald Reagan and George W.Bush...
   Nobody complained about his honesty...but his incompetency!! Under his watch seven more nations fell under the Communist yoke, along with their millions of citizens...
   R. Reagan immediately followed him and lifted the  Communist yoke off untold millions that had been enslaved for many decades.
    Carter brought disrespect to our nation and whined about a "malaise" sweeping the country....Ronald Reagan brought respect back.
   Do you recall how the Iranians laughed at "little man" Carter and held the hostages for over 400 days?
  Do you also recall that as RR raised his hand to be sworn in, we had TV shots of the airplanes taking off from Teheran airport....bringing the hostages home?
  The assertive "Cowboy" had the world's respect.....the Iatola didn't want Teheran to be a glass paved airpoprt!
  Today we hear of the passing of the greatest president of the twentieth century....
   Ronald Reagan is through with pain and he's renewing acquaintances in Heaven..he had a testimony of being "born-again"..
   
   Prayers and condolences to the Reagan family...
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« Reply #6 on: June 05, 2004, 01:14:28 PM »
Think back about 40 years, when JFK was considered a "Liberal Democrat."  Compare him to the nut cases out there now with the same tag attached, and you'll know that the Democratic Party has moved so far left since then that JFK would never recognise them as anything but Socialists.  Republicans didn't give Liberalism a bad name, Democrats did!

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« Reply #7 on: June 05, 2004, 02:38:16 PM »
:roll: If liberals are galvanized against Bush, they're going to be greatly disappointed should Kerry actually win.  He's already admitted that he can't do much different about Iraq than Bush is already planning.  All of his other promises are empty rhetoric about things that he would have no control over anyway.  A Kerry win would vindicate Bush and utterly destroy the lefts' (Utopian) faith in the Democratic party, paving the way for even greater Republican strength in the future.

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« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2004, 04:59:03 AM »
[quote="Shorty A Kerry win would vindicate Bush and utterly destroy the lefts' (Utopian) faith in the Democratic party, paving the way for even greater Republican strength in the future.[/quote]Dali Llama say yes, but he hate to think of changes Democraps would bring about in four intervening years. :(  :cry:  :cry:  :cry:
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