Exasperating Ruger Decisions

[oneb]

Hey, we are all -- or mostly all -- fans here but we have to admit that corporate wackiness has infected Ruger.  How about...

The nine pound trigger pull on my Ruger 10/22 22! I have to get some index finger weights to tone up for next squirrel season.

The wafer "recoil pad" on my .375 H&H Ruger #1. (The 10/22 had a better pad!)

The great idea to open an engraving shop when quality control on the basic production has been going into the toilet. (Just what we need, a pretty POS!)

OK, enough of that I'll now turn to considering my next Ruger needs.

oneb

[Mike in Ct]

I think all the lt weight american made sporters are junk..My Brand new Rem.ADL Syn 700 22-250 was not only poorly fitted but the barrel used to get crazy when hot & there was no reason to the patterns it would spray..3 good shooters fired this gun on differant days & the results were always the same first two shots would be close & after that look out...2 plus inch groups no handload could do better than .910 & that was it's best..after a trigger job..it got a free floating barrel,action was rebedded then back to slight forend pressure..I tried everything.Cost me 200 to get rid of it OUCH  then I  found a bull barreled Winchester same caliber..Shoots 1/2 inch groups! trigger is just Ok..I can't wait to see what this new (used) gun will do with loads made for it..The barrel is so smooth inside it cleans up with just a few patches..I'm impressed but don't take this as a reccomendation Others here & elsewhere complain that barrel quality is just luck of the draw...So buyer beware ..take your cleaning rod with you & try some patches down those new or used barrels..you will be surprised what you can feel...Mike in CT

[BlkHawk73]

I tend to belive two things concerning the notorious Rugrer triggers.  1)  I think a big part is the liability issues and the sue-happy enviornment we live in today.   2) the 10/22 is produced in such large quantities that tuning each trigger is kinda not a viable option.  Even the "T" models, although a bit bettr aren't what would be called "match grade".  Why?  Because as stock models, the 10/22s are more fun plinkers and/or platforms in which to build upon.  Remember these are sub $200 guns.  Want a better trigger?  Add the $15 spring kit from Wolff.  Look at like this, the 10/22 is kinda the K-car of the gun inductry.  No glamour or flashyness but it get's the job done.

   Hmmm...

all the lt weight american made sporters are junk

  Well I hoe this isn't based on this one incident.:roll:  

   Notice that a lot of US made products are lesser quality than Euro made ones.  Maybe because American workers are generally lazy people who try harder getting out of work than they do actually doing thier work as it should be done.  they expect the most but do the least on thier part.

[reallybigfoot]

I travel the world installing control systems in manufacturing plants.  I will put my money on american workers every time.

[crazyjjk]

Blkhawk73,
      I don't believe American Workers are lazy. I feel that if anything anymore American workers work way harder than andy of  their European counterparts. In the European countries workers are taken care of much better. They get more vacation, shorter workdays, better benefits and most important quality equipment, tools, raw materials, and time to turn out a good product. Here in corporate America the average worker is asked to turn out more and more product in less time with poor starting materials, old broken down equipment, poor training ect. They are not even given the time to check their work. Just get it out the door. All this so the corporation can make the most money in the shortest amount of time with only a regard to the stockholders and not the consumers of their products. The American workers pride in doing a good job is there but the corporations that run the show only punish them for having it. To the corporations anymore it's not about making a good product. It's only about making money. So don't blame the American worker, blame the real criminal which is the people who run these companies who put profit over quality. Just my 2 cents.

[bgjohn]

I agree with crazyjjk.
JM

[BlkHawk73]

crazyjjk,
 I do agree with the desire for corporations to put $ before quality.  I also see far too often the workers only being present to collect a check and not giving a hoot about the quality of work they put out.  I do see the total opposite as well, just not as often.  Always seem the larger the company, the worse the work ethics of it's employees are.  Maybe I'm a lucky one in that my company takes care of it's workers.  may not have the newest equip and best facility pos., but on a personell standpoint, we're taken care of.  Do the employees care?  Not usually.  I see this same attitude in other places as well, many actually.  Do I blame he corportions completely?  No.  The general consumer in America seems to expect a great deal for little more than nothing.  This may be the land of opprotunity but it'salso becoming the land of "anything for an easy buck".  
  Still the greast single country on earth!

[SLAVAGE]

im with crasyjim  on this one all so

[K2]

Hi Blackhawk73

I think you are on to something.  I see too many folks expecting an out of the box hunting rifle to shoot sub moa groups.  Why I have no idea.  A 4" moa big game gun will get the job done just fine, and most of the bargain american guns will shoot 2 moa groups most of the time.  At 4 moa the shot will hit within 2 inches of your point of aim at the time you let the shot off.  That might be 2 inches high or 2 inches low, but that is super fine for any big game animal in America.  Many of the shooters that think they need a moa quality gun are hard pressed to hit a paper plate offhand at 100 yards regardless of what they are shooting.  I think the major manufacturers are doing a good job of delivering a good product at a fair price especially in a climate where anyone will sue them at the drop of a hat.  

I tend to belive two things concerning the notorious Rugrer triggers.  1)  I think a big part is the liability issues and the sue-happy enviornment we live in today.   2) the 10/22 is produced in such large quantities that tuning each trigger is kinda not a viable option.  Even the "T" models, although a bit bettr aren't what would be called "match grade".  Why?  Because as stock models, the 10/22s are more fun plinkers and/or platforms in which to build upon.  Remember these are sub $200 guns.  Want a better trigger?  Add the $15 spring kit from Wolff.  Look at like this, the 10/22 is kinda the K-car of the gun inductry.  No glamour or flashyness but it get's the job done.

   Hmmm...

all the lt weight american made sporters are junk

  Well I hoe this isn't based on this one incident.:roll:  

   Notice that a lot of US made products are lesser quality than Euro made ones.  Maybe because American workers are generally lazy people who try harder getting out of work than they do actually doing thier work as it should be done.  they expect the most but do the least on thier part.