Went tonite and shot trap again with the red dot to see if I could do better. Last time was a 14 and I know at the beginning I was rushing my shots. This time same thing I shot a round and shot a 11 I know some of them I rushed. I was talking to a guy and he told me at the club ya got more time than ya think just slow it down if you feel more comfortable with that. I did and shot a 19 out of 25 still needs some inprovement but after not shooting for a few years I was satisfied. You naysayers with the dot still may think it is aiming and it may be but not like you think. You still have to follow the bird and shoot like you normally would or you miss plain and simple. I still say it is like putting a fiberoptic front bead on the barrel it is a red dot or green dot out there at the end of your barrel. THis is the same difference only it is more exagerated of a dot as it is right out there with the target . Jim