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Offline Dali Llama

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« on: June 03, 2004, 01:17:47 PM »
Michael Moore and Me
 
From the May 31, 2004 issue: An encounter with the Cannes man.
by Fred Barnes

A FEW YEARS AGO Michael Moore, who's now promoting an anti-President Bush movie entitled Fahrenheit 9/11, announced he'd gotten the goods on me, indeed hung me out to dry on my own words. It was in his first bestselling book, Stupid White Men. Moore wrote he'd once been "forced" to listen to my comments on a TV chat show, The McLaughlin Group. I had whined "on and on about the sorry state of American education," Moore said, and wound up by bellowing: "These kids don't even know what The Iliad and The Odyssey are!"
Moore's interest was piqued, so the next day he said he called me. "Fred," he quoted himself as saying, "tell me what The Iliad and The Odyssey are." I started "hemming and hawing," Moore wrote. And then I said, according to Moore: "Well, they're . . . uh . . . you know . . . uh . . . okay, fine, you got me--I don't know what they're about. Happy now?" He'd smoked me out as a fraud, or maybe worse.

The only problem is none of this is true. It never happened. Moore is a liar. He made it up. It's a fabrication on two levels. One, I've never met Moore or even talked to him on the phone. And, two, I read both The Iliad and The Odyssey in my first year at the University of Virginia. Just for the record, I'd learned what they were about even before college. Like everyone else my age, I got my classical education from the big screen. I saw the Iliad movie called Helen of Troy and while I forget the name of the Odyssey film, I think it starred Kirk Douglas as Odysseus

So why didn't I scream bloody murder when the book came out in 2001? I didn't learn about the phony anecdote until it was brought to my attention by Alan Wolfe, who was reviewing Moore's book for the New Republic. He asked, by email, if the story were true. I said no, not a word of it, and Wolfe quoted me as saying that. That was enough, I thought. After all, who would take a shrill, lying lefty like Moore seriously?

More people than I thought. Moore's new movie attacking Bush was given a 20-minute standing ovation at the Cannes Film Festival. Moore has described the movie as breaking new ground and revealing new facts, but the accounts by reviewers suggest it merely provides the standard left-wing, conspiratorial critique of the president. Reviewer Lou Lumenick of the New York Post, who gave Moore's previous movie Bowling for Columbine four stars, said the anti-Bush film would be news only "if you spent the last three years hiding in a cave in Afghanistan." Still, I suppose it's not surprising they loved it in France.

In publicizing the movie, Moore has been up to his old dishonest tricks. Just before the screening at Cannes, he charged that Disney had told him "officially" the day before that it would not distribute Fahrenheit 9/11. Moore said this was an attempt to kill the film. He indicated a newspaper article had the correct explanation of Disney's decision: "According to today's New York Times, it might 'endanger' millions of dollars of tax breaks Disney receives from the state of Florida because the film will 'anger' the governor of Florida, Jeb Bush."

Later, in a CNN interview, Moore admitted he'd learned nearly a year ago that Disney would not distribute the movie. By pretending he'd just gotten word of this, Moore was involved in a cheap publicity stunt. And it wasn't the New York Times that said, on its own, that Disney feared losing tax breaks. It was Moore's agent who was quoted as saying that in the Times. Disney denied its president Michael Eisner had told the agent of any such fear. "We informed both the agency that represented the film and all of our companies that we just didn't want to be in the middle of a politically oriented film during an election year," Eisner told ABC News.
Where does this leave us? I think it's time for Moore to be held accountable. In Stupid White Men, he has 18 pages of "Notes and Sources," but he offers no evidence for the sham interview with me--no date, no transcript. How could he, since the interview never happened?

I have just the person to look into Moore's lies and distortions. Al Franken has taken special interest in public liars, writing a bestseller called Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them. Al, the Moore case is now in your court.

Fred Barnes is executive editor of The Weekly Standard.
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« Reply #1 on: June 03, 2004, 05:12:55 PM »
Moore is a parasite and calling him that is being kind. In my book he is lower than whale crap!! Jim  :evil:  :x  :x  :x  :twisted:
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« Reply #2 on: June 04, 2004, 01:11:27 AM »
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Moore is a parasite and calling him that is being kind. In my book he is lower than whale crap!!  :evil:  :x  :x  :x  :twisted:
...and that excrement be at bottom of ocean, say Dali Llama! :lol:
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« Reply #3 on: June 04, 2004, 03:08:55 AM »
In my opinion Michael Moore is an insecure and arrogant little fat man with no redeeming social value.
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« Reply #4 on: June 04, 2004, 03:37:08 AM »
Micheal Moore is a perfect canidate for retro-active abortion. His parents should be ashamed at what they've infected the world with. He's really just a money grubbing liar. To call his porn documentaries is rediculous. they're poorly done fantasy to support his socialistic liberal wetdreams. He's only liberal because those nitwits on the left coast will shower him with more cash to support his putrid existance.

  I promise to pay for the retro-active abortion.
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« Reply #5 on: June 04, 2004, 05:37:33 AM »
Moore is so repugnant that even a lot of liberals hate him.  They believe, correctly, that he harms their causes with his sophomoric rantings.

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« Reply #6 on: June 04, 2004, 05:41:37 AM »
Well, I can't really respond now because all of my answers have pretty much already been stated!
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« Reply #7 on: June 04, 2004, 07:31:30 AM »
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In my opinion Michael Moore is an insecure and arrogant little fat man with no redeeming social value.
 ...and thus a prime candidate for 'social engineering,' ask Dali Llama?
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« Reply #8 on: June 05, 2004, 05:25:37 AM »
I don't find Michael Moore to be extraordinary at all.  To me, he is just an average liberal.
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« Reply #9 on: June 05, 2004, 05:48:20 AM »
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I don't find Michael Moore to be extraordinary at all.  To me, he is just an average liberal.
Dali Llama say that in world where most thing be relative, Michael Moore do be even worse than most liberal. :twisted:
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« Reply #10 on: June 05, 2004, 12:28:55 PM »
As has been said; even some Liberals realize and admit that Moore is a liar and a bit "nutsy" to boot!
   So what does that tell us about the "Hollyweird crowd that gives him an award for a lie-filled "documentary" and wildly cheer this rabid nut-case?
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« Reply #11 on: June 05, 2004, 01:07:34 PM »
As long as Moore's style of tripe journalism is called "Documentary", it gives it an aura of credibility.  Maybe a group of those impugned need to get together and sue the pants off that lying, contemptuous pervert.  I bet that would get through to his "sensibilities"!  I'm sure the media would totally ignore the crucifiction of one of its heroes, but "Red America" could count it as a major victory, and perhaps the Leftmedia would get a clue about distorting the facts.  "Freedom of the Press" does not cover lies!  :evil:  

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« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2004, 04:27:54 AM »
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Quote from: magooch
I don't find Michael Moore to be extraordinary at all.  To me, he is just an average liberal.
Dali Llama say that in world where most thing be relative, Michael Moore do be even worse than most liberal. :twisted:


I don't really mean to disagree Dali, but to me, Moore is just a typical liberal.
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« Reply #13 on: June 06, 2004, 05:06:18 AM »
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I don't find Michael Moore to be extraordinary at all.  To me, he is just an average liberal.
Dali Llama say that in world where most thing be relative, Michael Moore do be even worse than most liberal. :twisted:


I don't really mean to disagree Dali, but to me, Moore is just a typical liberal.
Dali Llama say it all be relative, but Michael Moore able cause more harm due to media presence. :(
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« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2004, 06:43:15 AM »
I made the mistake of listening to NPR this morning on my way to work (a half hour trip).  On their "ideas" show, the host had a succession of lefty mainstream journalists trying to explain the phenomenon of Michael Moore's fahrenheit 9/11.  While they acknowledged that the movie  was not a documentary and that it plays fast and loose with the truth they still encouraged people to see it for the sake of "starting a discussion."  

I guess that that is where we are in this country-we should be having a discussion about a movie made by a lying socialist propagandist that even most of the left acknowledges is not accurate.  Moore and the mainstream media are not honest and up front about who they are-a criticism that cannot be made against Limbaugh et al.  That is why Moore and the media are so dangerous.  Their viewpoints, evaluated honestly, will not win.

The thing in shortest supply these days is the truth.

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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2004, 11:33:21 AM »
Some one needs to come out with a spoof movie.....Gunning for Moore :shock:

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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2004, 03:52:00 PM »
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Some one needs to come out with a spoof movie.....Gunning for Moore :shock:
Dali Llama say he prefer idea of porno spoof: "Fahrenheit 69," with Michael Moore and Diane Feinstein as HEADliners. :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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« Reply #17 on: July 09, 2004, 02:22:39 AM »
Dali said:: Dali Llama say he prefer idea of porno spoof: "Fahrenheit 69," with Michael Moore and Diane Feinstein as HEADliners.    

Now that's an 'ugly' thought............... Mikey.

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« Reply #18 on: July 09, 2004, 08:19:17 AM »
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Dali said:: Dali Llama say he prefer idea of porno spoof: "Fahrenheit 69," with Michael Moore and Diane Feinstein as HEADliners.    

Now that's an 'ugly' thought............... Mikey.
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