Thanks handirifle, I dug out some 2 1/2 inch .410 shells I have and checked them against a 45/70 round. My only concern now is if the 45/70's will fit in the shell holders in the Tamer buttstock. VC, the gentleman he is, has kindly offered to try a 45/70 round (as soon as he can get one from a friend) in his tamer stock to check the fit. This idea is starting to grow on me and I am liking it better as time goes by. Sure hope it works out, should make a great "walking around" gun, light and handi ( :grin: ) but not a lot of fun to shoot off a bench, luckily I can never recall any recoil I have ever felt in a hunting situation....<><.... :grin: