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30-30 to 7.62 X 54R???
« on: July 11, 2004, 07:51:52 AM »
I was thinking (which is very dangerous) of getting a Handi in 30-30 and rechambering it to the old Mosin Nagant 7.62 X 54R caliber. I know that the bullets are slightly over bore .312 but to alleviate pressure signs maybe throating the chamber wil work. (BTW Finnish Mosin barrels also are bored .308) I'll admit it is a "why" chambering but I bought 440 rounds for my M44 at about 8 cents a round and MNs do not break down in to a compact carrying size but do have .308 power with a rimmed shell and the option of 200 grn bullets.

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« Reply #1 on: July 11, 2004, 09:00:04 AM »
It should work, and Ruger did on their early Mini 30's do exactly as you suggest, use a long throat to swage the .311-.312 bullet of the 7.62x39 to do just that. But I do not see how you would be any better served by the Russian that you would be by the 308 Winchester. There has been a lot of talk about a rimmed case extracting better, but I can easily stick cases in my 30-30, and one past poster on the old site had a 308 rechambered to a 308x444 (a 309 JDJ for practical purposes) and he continued to have problems with sticking cases. Offered the rifle for sale for a while, don't know how the story went after that.
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« Reply #2 on: July 11, 2004, 09:08:25 AM »
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Why not re-chamber to the .307 Winchester?  Same dimensions as the 308 but with a rimmed case for better extraction.
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« Reply #3 on: July 11, 2004, 02:09:00 PM »
Slug the barrel to find out what you are dealing with. Handi barrels tend to run big anyway. If you find your barrel is .309+, that's one more excuse for the rechamber.

Getting the rechambering done is likely to more than negate any savings on ammo, though. The 7.62x54R reamer ain't one that's laying around every shop and it's gonna take a bigger than normal lathe to accomodate the forearm lug.
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« Reply #4 on: July 11, 2004, 02:31:55 PM »
My 45-70 Buffalo Classic, had a bore dia of .450 and land dia of .457.  Not exactly what I'd call versize for .458 dia bullets.

NEF said they ranged from .455 to .459.
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« Reply #5 on: July 11, 2004, 06:20:50 PM »
That's weird - I was just thinking of the exact same conversion - but in a Savage 24V (.30-30/20 gauge).  The reason I picked that round was for better performance (duh) and the fact that Hodgdon lists it as a longer case (can cut out the old throat) and also lists it as a .308" diameter bullet.  Are you sure about that .311"?  I know that the 303 British is a .311" bullet... but I'm pretty sure that the 7.62x54R is a .308.  

BTW - this will sound weird - but I haven't actually purchased the Savage yet.  You guys have any thoughts on a .30-30/20 ga Savage 24V vs. a NEF?  I like the idea of having both barrels ready to go at once (Savage) and don't like the idea of having to send my gun to NEF to have a new barrel 'fitted.'  But they are inexpensive... Hmmm...

Thanks in advance.  Great forum!

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« Reply #6 on: July 11, 2004, 09:11:49 PM »
Your rechambering to 7.62x54R will work. Had it done in San Antonio in 70 or 71. And that was on the old cast H&R Topper receiver. Reloaded with 308 bullets and it worked great. Also shot the military surp ammo. The best reason to go with this project is this is a hobby, and you do not have to explain or justify your wants to anyone. (Well, maybe to a wife!)
Furthermore, I have an opinion on the subject of rimmed cases ejecting better. Both rimmed and non-rimmed chambered Handis have the same extraction power, or lack of same. It just happens that the older rimmed cases are more tapered, therefore allowing easier extraction. Rechambering a 308 Win to 307 might add a rim, but the case will still have the less taper of  the 308, therefore can experience a stuck case just as well.  I've had extraction problems in 223, 243, and 308 Handis. Never in 30-30, 30-40, 45-70. Now, due to that weak extract, any chambering can have a stuck case from a hot load, dirty chamber or dirty extractor. Also a over heated barrel will stick a case. (Common when shooting all day in a P dog town.)
Several board members have reported success with polishing chambers to cure sticking cases. In these cases, it appears that NEF just did a sloppy chambering job. I personally have not done this. If have a sticker, I just consider it a POS and unload it. I have no desire to invest the time to go this route when I can buy a different rifle and spend my time at the range or hunting, rather then playing with Fitz polish. Don't get me wrong. I love my Handis when they shoot. I have a Ultra 25-06 that will out shoot both my 25-06 Remington 700 and 25-06 Browning 78. But not every Handi is going to perform like this. And at their price, we should not expect them too. They have their place in the shooting world, but, just like wine and cars, you get what you pay for. Again, just my opinion.
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« Reply #7 on: July 12, 2004, 08:11:29 PM »
While some may consider the extractor on a Handi weak, I do not.  Any extractor that kicks a shell 3' over my shoulder is far from weak.

I polished my chamber on my 223 before ever firing it and have never had a stuck case (yet).  Neither did my 45-70.   There is FAR less taper on that case than any of the rimless cases mentioned.

Rimmed cases extract better in a Handi because the case is headspaced on the RIM, not the shoulder, thus allowing for more room for the case to expand and less chance of sticking in the chamber.
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